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Post by zozbot234 »

cwhiz wrote: post #107
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand Germany’s infection rate has actually increased as a result of the reopening moves.[0] 0. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/germanys-coronavirus-infecti...

Yes. They are monitoring it and reacting appropriately. If it doesn’t work they will pull back and try again. But their actions are not being dictated by the situation in Italy or France. Likewise, Montana should not take action based on what is going on in New York.

Except that "pull back and try again" is a lot worse than just keeping the lockdown in the first place. Both economically and from a disease prevalence POV.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by JeanMarcS »

smcl wrote: post #86

Did this open up focussed on a tweet by a "Melissa A" with a reply by Elon Musk saying "True" for anyone else? Took me a few seconds to realise that I needed to scroll up to see the actual linked tweet (literally just the words "FREE AMERICA NOW"). I tried on a few browsers with the same behaviour, looks like this is deliberate .

Well if it’s the case I’m sorry about that. I just copy pasted on my iPhone when I saw it, so may be the URL change when you scroll ?

In any way it was not deliberate

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by matz1 »

pinkfoot wrote: post #118
matz1 wrote: post #104

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you don't think no people will die by not be able to afford basic necessities due to not working ?

Oh, I do. So show us the model (we still do that right?) when the death by virus numbers are less than the death by poverty numbers. But you can't becuase you didn't. You just "feel" its time.

So if the death by poverty is less than death of virus, then continue lockdown ? Must be sucks to be the one who dying due to poverty caused by lockdown.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by take_a_breath »

matz1 wrote: post #119
take_a_breath wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The obvious flaw is that we know people can be asymptomatic carriers. That means they can put others at risk which violates the personal rights of those individuals. This also can’t be done without significant testing which still isn’t available 9 weeks after declaring a public health emergency.

If think you at risk then you stay at home. If you force other to stay at home you too violates the personal rights of those individuals.

The Patriot Act violates my personal right to secrecy. Stop lights violate my personal right to cross intersections as I please. And on and on.

Welcome to civilized society, sorry it's such an inconvenience.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by justaj »

jacknews wrote: post #98
marvin wrote: post #6

That doesn't bode well for Tesla earnings later today.

Whole sectors of the economy are shut down, how come the wall-street gambling dens are still open?

Maybe it's a dumb question, but isn't it possible to do most of what Wall Street does from home?

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

IfIEverCatchYou wrote: post #101
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #90

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It looks like it’s several times more deadly than the flu if a hospital can provide optimal treatment . Should we go ahead and rapidly infect everyone the death toll will go to Italy. Additionally, I would suspect that the cost of rapidly developing herd immunity, the subsequent uptick in deaths due to 1 in 5 or so people needing the hospital and unable to receive assistance because the hospital cannot take 1 in 5 pe…

Faults in your argument: Hospitals are mostly empty in the US. Antibody testing is showing that herd immunity is rapidly growing. Persons who could be severely infected by COVID are generally not in the workforce.

There is currently no proof that antibody testing is detecting antibodies greater than the false positive rate except in New York, which itself has biases in its study (only testing people who are already out in public, and that's only 1 in 5). Additionally there is no proof that the levels of antibody detected result in immunity or for that the levels of antibody will remain at immunity-levels long term.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by pinkfoot »

matz1 wrote: post #123
pinkfoot wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I do. So show us the model (we still do that right?) when the death by virus numbers are less than the death by poverty numbers. But you can't becuase you didn't. You just "feel" its time.

So if the death by poverty is less than death of virus, then continue lockdown ? Must be sucks to be the one who dying due to poverty caused by lockdown.

Of course not, and here is why: lockdown is not binary, there are degrees of lockdown.

So, when you help us all out with the model of deaths-by-lockdown that informed your decision, we can all benefit from it by comparing it against the latest, updated death-by-covid-19 models and making an informed choice about the degree (if any) of lockdown to pursue.

The lesser evil.

But of course no such model exists. Its all just emoting. Happy to be wrong.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by cwhiz »

zozbot234 wrote: post #121
cwhiz wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. They are monitoring it and reacting appropriately. If it doesn’t work they will pull back and try again. But their actions are not being dictated by the situation in Italy or France. Likewise, Montana should not take action based on what is going on in New York.

Except that "pull back and try again" is a lot worse than just keeping the lockdown in the first place. Both economically and from a disease prevalence POV.

I trust Angela Merkel to not fuck it up.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by me_me_me »

cczizou wrote: post #88

I struggle to take Musk seriously. He has too much to gain from getting people working again. His production operations are notoriously behind schedule and only accelerate by throwing more (literal) bodies at the problem.

To quote the classic:

"Many of you will die, but I am ready to make that sacrifice."

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Post by take_a_breath »

matz1 wrote: post #102
take_a_breath wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Provide data that shows it is a larger risk. Without that data you are arguing based on ideology not facts. The thing about not working is that we have government mechanisms to help those people. We can beef up social security, unemployment benefits, or direct payments. Then people can go back to work afterwards. Work will always exist. It exists even now with a “closed” economy. The thing about dying is that it’s pr…

>We can beef up social security, unemployment benefits, or direct payments If you give people money for not working, who are going to work then ? Money will become meaningless if you can't use to buy stuff.

==Money will become meaningless if you can't use to buy stuff.==

I don't follow this line of thought. We already give people money for not working (examples are social security and unemployment benefits). None of that has made money obsolete. Why would a temporary measure in the midst of a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic?

Why don't I see people make this same argument about businesses getting money from the government? Will money become meaningless for businesses? Do people stop trying to earn money once they reach a certain level? Elon Musk certainly hasn't.

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