Wow he really likes his money. But not so much, people.
Free America Now (@elonmusk)
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
==Based on the drop in cases== Friday and Saturday saw the highest single day totals of new cases. ==ludicrously low infection and death rates== Nobody knows these rates because we can’t test enough people to know infection rates. People are dying at home so it will be a while until we know actual death rates. ==speedy development of herd immunity== You and your family should jump to the front line and help build thi…
> You and your family should jump to the front line and help build this immunity. I’ll protect my 2 year-old and pregnant wife in our home. This is exactly how the pandemic should have been handled. Personal risk should have been allowed to be determined by the individual, not the state, at the expense of personal rights.
The obvious flaw is that we know people can be asymptomatic carriers. That means they can put others at risk which violates the personal rights of those individuals.
This also can’t be done without significant testing which still isn’t available 9 weeks after declaring a public health emergency.
Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)
#113I love how billionaires with their private jets and 40,000 square foot homes want every body else to go back to work
and I love how many privileged middle class people are smugly calling to press pause on civilization from the comfort of their homes which they can only do because a faceless army of poor people keeps them fed and cared for
You understand that they're at home too? Just look at the unemployment stats.
Most of American production is automated. Its middle-level folk keeping America running. Cherry-picked examples notwithstanding.
Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
And he might still be right. But - and here is the rub - it will be because the lockdown interrupted person-to-person transfers, and not because the inert bases making up the virus suddenly decided all by themselves, and all over the world, to lower their R0 from > 3 to < 1.
> And he might still be right. The US already has over 1M cases, so 0.3%?
1M confirmed cases; actual cases are many times higher than that.
Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m genuinely curious. I hear this “constitutional rights” line from many conservatives. What rights are being violated?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
Its the old "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" issue. Certainly epidemics qualify as a reasonable cause for asking people to stay home.
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#116He might just want to do it as e.g Germany does it. i.e. basically opening most smaller and some bigger businesses. shops with limited people at the same time, masks, hygiene procedures etc. schools more or less closed until end of summer. Though Germany already has receding numbers for a while now, US is still a little behind. Total number of cases vs deaths is (if counted and reported correctly in worldometers) qui…
"US is still a little behind" is a bit too understated I'd say - the US measures haven't even managed to make the number of active cases stop growing. They are shrinking in Germany since about the beginning of april.
Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
What law did Congress pass?
Just because Congress didn't make the gubernatorial orders doesn't excuse state governors from these constitutional rights violations.
>Just because Congress didn't make the gubernatorial orders doesn't excuse state governors from these constitutional rights violations.
They aren't constitutional rights violations by definition. Congress (and, explicitly, as written, only Congress as a body) is prevented from passing laws at a national level forcing states to violate their citizens' right to speech and assembly, but states have the right to do so of their own accord (as states by default claim all powers not given to the Federal government), and precedent has allowed it under exigent circumstances, such as 9/11 and prior pandemics.
One could argue that the lockdown orders are unnecessary, but I think that would only be apparent in hindsight, and even then it would turn out to be a misuse of power that states legitimately have, but not abuse or an unlawful exercise of power, unless certain conspiracy theories about "globalist elites" turned out to be true (spoiler: they won't.)
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ok, I'll bite: where are the coffins of all the people who have died in the last four weeks from not working? Because I can show you lots of coffins from people in NY and Italy who went to work whilst the pandemic was raging.
you don't think no people will die by not be able to afford basic necessities due to not working ?
Oh, I do.
So show us the model (we still do that right?) when the death by virus numbers are less than the death by poverty numbers.
But you can't becuase you didn't. You just "feel" its time.
Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You and your family should jump to the front line and help build this immunity. I’ll protect my 2 year-old and pregnant wife in our home. This is exactly how the pandemic should have been handled. Personal risk should have been allowed to be determined by the individual, not the state, at the expense of personal rights.
The obvious flaw is that we know people can be asymptomatic carriers. That means they can put others at risk which violates the personal rights of those individuals. This also can’t be done without significant testing which still isn’t available 9 weeks after declaring a public health emergency.
If think you at risk then you stay at home. If you force other to stay at home you too violates the personal rights of those individuals.
Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
and I love how many privileged middle class people are smugly calling to press pause on civilization from the comfort of their homes which they can only do because a faceless army of poor people keeps them fed and cared for
You understand that they're at home too? Just look at the unemployment stats. Most of American production is automated. Its middle-level folk keeping America running. Cherry-picked examples notwithstanding.
uh, no they're not. do you think the chicken fairy is depositing frozen birds in your supermarket? your existence is secured by a chain of people who haven't achieved the level yet for "is it safe for me to go to work?" to even register as a question