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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

What law did Congress pass?

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You can't run for President in the US if you were not born in the US, even if you are American.

That's not true, else Ted Cruz wouldn't have been able to run for President in 2016. Cruz was born in Calgary. His mother is an American, father Canadian. The requirement in the Constitution is only that one must be a "natural born citizen".

Cruz's eligibility has always been unsettled, it's just that it never actually became a problem since he suspended his campaign.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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He might just want to do it as e.g Germany does it. i.e. basically opening most smaller and some bigger businesses. shops with limited people at the same time, masks, hygiene procedures etc. schools more or less closed until end of summer. Though Germany already has receding numbers for a while now, US is still a little behind. Total number of cases vs deaths is (if counted and reported correctly in worldometers) qui…

I actually heard Germany’s infection rate has now increased directly related to their reopening (before R0 was <1 now it is ~1?)

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I don't think so. And his tweets aren't really aging well... https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960

He also implied there won't be more than 0.1% of the US population infected overall, https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239755145233289217

And he might still be right.

But - and here is the rub - it will be because the lockdown interrupted person-to-person transfers, and not because the inert bases making up the virus suddenly decided all by themselves, and all over the world, to lower their R0 from > 3 to < 1.

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Easy to dismiss him because of his wealth or other prejudices you may have of him. "Free America Now" raises an incredibly important debate that all lockdown-ridden countries should be having. Were lockdowns constitutional? Were lockdowns effective? Could other measured responses have achieved similar outcomes? Were lockdowns done in vain? And have we set a dangerous precedent? Bunch of questions. Don't flame him or…

"Just participate in the debate" is the kind of nonsensical rhetoric Creationists use to push their religious beliefs into science education. There is no debate. There are no questions. The only dangerous precedent we're setting is one of ignoring the expert epidemiologists tasked with protecting the public.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/pandemic-economy-less...

https://www.ssrn.com/abstract=3561560

To summarize, during the 1918 flu pandemic, American cities that implemented early and extensive non-medical measures (including quarantines) suffered no additional adverse economic effects due to implementing those measures when compared with cities that implemented measures late or not at all.

http://webarchive.loc.gov/all/20150111194407/http://www.hist...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291414

Again, to summarize, American Samoa and New Caledonia succeeded in preventing even a single death from the 1918 influenza through effective quarantines.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

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Did this open up focussed on a tweet by a "Melissa A" with a reply by Elon Musk saying "True" for anyone else? Took me a few seconds to realise that I needed to scroll up to see the actual linked tweet (literally just the words "FREE AMERICA NOW"). I tried on a few browsers with the same behaviour, looks like this is deliberate.

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Based on what data?

Based on the drop in cases, ludicrously low infection and death rates, the need to balance healthcare system burden with a speedy development of herd immunity,and the economic devastation. People can’t just say “it’s worth it if we save just one life”. Bullshit. Everything requires context, and being under lockdown has its own severe consequences. Including the loss of life.

==Based on the drop in cases==

Friday and Saturday saw the highest single day totals of new cases.

==ludicrously low infection and death rates==

Nobody knows these rates because we can’t test enough people to know infection rates. People are dying at home so it will be a while until we know actual death rates.

==speedy development of herd immunity==

You and your family should jump to the front line and help build this immunity. I’ll protect my 2 year-old and pregnant wife in our home.

All we have to do is look to the 1918 flu to see the danger of opening up too soon. Making up strawman quotes from your “opposition” doesn’t change the data on this virus or the history of past viruses.

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#88
I struggle to take Musk seriously. He has too much to gain from getting people working again.

His production operations are notoriously behind schedule and only accelerate by throwing more (literal) bodies at the problem.

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post #77

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble , and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

What law did Congress pass?

Just because Congress didn't make the gubernatorial orders doesn't excuse state governors from these constitutional rights violations.

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#90

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Based on what data?

Based on the drop in cases, ludicrously low infection and death rates, the need to balance healthcare system burden with a speedy development of herd immunity,and the economic devastation. People can’t just say “it’s worth it if we save just one life”. Bullshit. Everything requires context, and being under lockdown has its own severe consequences. Including the loss of life.

It looks like it’s several times more deadly than the flu if a hospital can provide optimal treatment. Should we go ahead and rapidly infect everyone the death toll will go to Italy. Additionally, I would suspect that the cost of rapidly developing herd immunity, the subsequent uptick in deaths due to 1 in 5 or so people needing the hospital and unable to receive assistance because the hospital cannot take 1 in 5 people at once would probably crater the economy much harder and longer... Every economist I’ve looked at has said this?

(EDIT: also from what I’ve seen it is entirely possible that infection results in long term reduction in health like lung capacity. That’s super fucked if we infect everyone in that case!)

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