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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

dehrmann wrote: post #212
imustbeevil wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From this source [0] it looks like excess deaths are at least 2x higher than those attributed to coronavirus. If you assume deaths would decrease with less people driving / going in public, that could be even more. Cases are obviously under-reported. I'm making the claim that deaths are also under-reported, and at a rate that could be consistent with the existing known rate reported. Even if there were 10x as many ca…

> If you assume deaths would decrease with less people driving / going in public, that could be even more. You can't make that assumption because of things like suicides and people delaying treatment for serious acute health issues.

To your point, cbc reported this week that some ~25 people are suspected of dying due to postponed heart surgeries. Not a lot of people, but still sad.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Fjolsvith »

reagank wrote: post #335
endgame wrote: post #165

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To those who support YouTube removing these vids: Without remarking on the quality of the video in this specific instance I will note that Dr. John Campbell's videos were contradicting WHO advice while WHO was asleep at the wheel. By the current standards, would they have been removed?

Was he advocating a course of action that would cause people to die? Because if he wasn’t (he wasn’t) then no, they wouldn’t be removed.

> Was he advocating a course of action that would cause people to die?

I thought the censorship was about the Coronavirus. There are a lot of videos that advocate a course of action that would cause someone, somewhere to die, that aren't being censored.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by knzhou »

lonelappde wrote: post #349
knzhou wrote: post #235

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> WHO was saying there's no human to human transmission This is one of those completely false things that people only believe is true by repetition. Go back and actually read the full set of WHO statements in mid-January. They have a bunch of statements saying that nations should get prepared, one saying that specific studies haven’t yet found hard evidence for person-to-person transmission (because at that point mos…

Weekly reminder that WHO still opposes restrictions on international travel, and hasn't updated its advice since March 11. https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-re...

That's not them bowing to China or "covering it up", that's just a statement of their principles. The W stands for World.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by lonelappde »

xtracto wrote: post #340
ivanstame wrote: post #314

Sorry for unpopular opinion but the whole world has gone nuts with corona. Stop spreading fake news and creating panic. Why censoring...

I'll tell you, I got the virus and it is no laughing matter. I got it at the end of February, and these almost 8 weeks have been some of the worst time in my life (and I was in the hospital as a kid for an accident where I lost a body part, and later in life I had a chronic anal fissure for more than 3 years) . Coronavirus is nasty, I'm still not recovered and feeling my lungs I am afraid I'll have permanent sequels.…

Everything?

Would you jail people who challenge the official government statements?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by lurquer »

chimprich wrote: post #67
lurquer wrote: post #29

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That was an obvious error in their reasoning. Not surprising, though. Idiotic (and, yes, such an error IS idiotic) fumbling with statistics is displayed on a daily basis. It doesn't matter what 'side' you are on: idiots abound. Doomer fallacies: Charts showing exponential growth of positives, without taking into account the exponential growth of tests... Flu-Bro fallacies: Antibody surveys that don't take into accoun…

> One thing you can count on, though: You will usually get a downvote on Hacker News if you deviate from the mainstream. Previously you were in a discussion with me arguing with great confidence that the virus outbreak would be a distant memory in two months. I just looked it up; it was 61 days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22434499 You were using terms like "chicken littles" then. I'm all for reading dif…

Well, don’t known about your neck of the woods, but things are opening up here in two days.

So, so I was a few days off in my estimate.

Statistically insignificant deaths, no overwhelmed hospitals, no body bags in the hallways or rationing of ventilators. No millions of deaths now any other of the nonsense being predicted here two months ago.

The talk now, as evidenced by the front page, is other topics... stimulus checks and the like.

Are things as you feared two months ago?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by AareyBaba »

threatofrain wrote: post #106

> We're actually seeing the patients. Dr. Fauci hasn't seen a patient for 20 years... it's like the general contractor vs the sub. He's not seeing patients, he's in an ivory tower, and we have a world of respect for him, he's a world reknown immunologist, two different, he's an academic, and we've dealt with academics all of our lives... but academics and reality are two different things. > Coronavirus lasts on plast…

Also

"If people can go to Costco, then why can't they go to church".

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by shkkmo »

runawaybottle wrote: post #256
rauchp wrote: post #247

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Un-American? There's nothing more "American" than having the right to do whatever you want with your personal property. The free market answer here isn't forcing them to adhere to your tastes, it's to make or promote a competitor that can actually compete with YT.

Let’s just stick to the facts then for a second. In this particular case, Youtube has decided I can’t watch a video with dubious facts and make up my own mind whether it’s bullshit or not. American values are not all about capitalism. We have some ideas on the individual in America. But, I’m with you on the need for YouTube competitors, but I lack the imagination to see how it can happen. That’s why I’m advocating fo…

> Youtube has decided I can’t watch a video with dubious facts and make up my own mind whether it’s bullshit or not.

That is not factually true since the video is available in other places. What Youtube has done is decided to try to make it harder to view and share the video by removing it from their platform.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Fjolsvith »

roywiggins wrote: post #289
threatofrain wrote: post #261

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> Or you could just not do the censorship in the first place and give people the freedom to make their own personal judgments whenever they’re presented with conflicting perspectives. > You’re assuming that some global institution has to be The Arbiter Of Truth because common people are too stupid to think for themselves and I find that assumption disgusting. The market is the sharpest vote the people may give for co…

If Google is liable, then HN will be liable for comments, and any website with user submitted content will die except Google, which has the money to fight lawsuits.

It will have to be proven that the comments actually caused harm.

Hello first amendment.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by jonkho »

ceejayoz wrote: post #182
briefcomment wrote: post #167

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Can someone address the claim that death certificates coerce doctors to list COVID as the cause of death even if it hasn't been shown definitively to be the case? Is this a thing?

We can make a pretty good estimate of COVID deaths by comparing against past years. There's a clear, large spike - NYC's death rate is six times the average for this time of year. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... Giving that we're still low on tests, if someone dies before a test of COVID-like symptoms, it makes sense to co…

Couldn’t the spike in nyc deaths be inflated due to the standard operating procedure of using mechanical ventilators for which 9 of 10 patients die [1]? Wasn’t there a big fuss (several articles posted here) about how mechanical ventilators were overused when less invasive methods produced better outcomes, therefore reducing mortality[2]?

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventil...

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by CamperBob2 »

AareyBaba wrote: post #356
threatofrain wrote: post #106

> We're actually seeing the patients. Dr. Fauci hasn't seen a patient for 20 years... it's like the general contractor vs the sub. He's not seeing patients, he's in an ivory tower, and we have a world of respect for him, he's a world reknown immunologist, two different, he's an academic, and we've dealt with academics all of our lives... but academics and reality are two different things. > Coronavirus lasts on plast…

Also "If people can go to Costco, then why can't they go to church".

Man may not live by bread alone, but bread will get you through times of no religion better than religion will get you through times of no bread.
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