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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by tehjoker »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

There's another political solution that would maintain the lockdown while preventing thousands of people from dying by reopening the economy: cancel rent. In NJ, they canceled mortgages but not rent, so the landlords get a free ride. In theory rents are "frozen" but they'll become due in September with back rent owed.

No free ride for the landlord class. Cancel rent!

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Post by rayiner »

dehrmann wrote: post #641
rayiner wrote: post #311

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Why would you not agree? It’s simple math. In most states, your weekly unemployment is half your salary, up to a cap. Under the CARES Act, you then add $600/week. So if that extra $600 is more than half your weekly paycheck, you earn more on unemployment. It works out to everyone earning less than about $62,000, which is more than half of people in most of the country. Pointing out that this creates a disincentive to…

> disincentive to return to work Arguably, this is a positive unintended consequence of the act in this situation.

It’s not a positive consequence. Contrary to popular notions of “bullshit jobs” our economy actually needs all these people to work to maintain our standard of living.

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Post by chewz »

irrational wrote: post #689
jliptzin wrote: post #498

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Yea I am wondering the same thing. I am REALLY lucky to have saved a lot and be in a good living situation where I can quarantine comfortably. But what the hell are people doing who were paycheck to paycheck? I would not blame them if they had to start stealing from supermarkets

In the old days people were part of families which were part of communities and they would all take care of each other if something like this happened. We've obviously gone far far away from that. I wonder if we will start moving back toward that sort of society?

As Margaret Thatcher said - there is no such thing as society, there are only individual people.

Seems like over last 50 years many people had been brainwashed to believe it is so.

But people are not the largest, quickest or most dangareous species on the planet. Our strongest point had been communicating and working together toward common goals, creating the society and taking care of each other.

Saddly in last 50 years this darwinistic vision of getting ahead at all cost at the expense of the others prevailed.

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Post by jupp0r »

usaar333 wrote: post #186
jupp0r wrote: post #145

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> Blanket lockdown has to end. What's different now vs before the lockdown started regarding flattening the curve? R0 is a little under 1 right now, but what will it be when most things reopen? The goal of the lockdown is to keep R0 under 1 until we have measures in place to permanently mitigate the spread [1]. This means lots of testing and contact tracing, which is not even possible right now with case numbers bein…

Multiple counties have already confirmed they are contact tracing every case. The Bay Area has a lower per capita daily case rate than Germany who is opening schools. This should be manageable.

Anecdotally, it’s still hard to get tested, even if people have symptoms. Happened to two friends of mine in the last 2 weeks.

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Post by rayiner »

greedo wrote: post #601
rayiner wrote: post #299

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In the US, the third category is being furloughed and collecting unemployment. Here in Maryland, anyone making $55,000 or below collects as much in unemployment (with the $600/week federal supplement) than they did while employed. The IT systems have done a bad job handling some new categories of claimants (people who couldn’t collect unemployment before but were allowed to under the CARES Act). So some people are wa…

Just a mathematical nit; Maryland caps unemployment at $430 per week. So adding CARES bumps that to $1030/week. It's only lasts 26 weeks, so it's worth $26780. I'm not sure if you have to pay income tax on any of this.

It’s the equivalent of a $53,500 annualized salary in terms of weekly paychecks. Also, CARES Act extends unemployment through the end of the year (39 weeks). A recent U of Wash study projected states could start easing restrictions in late May to early June. But it’s going to be a slow reopening. The concern is that if the federal government is bankrolling things, the reopening will be slower than necessary.

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Post by rayiner »

cylinder wrote: post #447
lowpro wrote: post #330

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My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

This is not at all different from what's going on across the US for anyone who works in a service role, and most people still haven't had their UI claims processed / payments made.

Source for “most people?” As of April 11, 71% of people who have applied have received benefits: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/coronavirus-unemplo.... And state’s have geared up processing since then. (Maryland launched new computer system last week.)

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Post by Uhhrrr »

pasttense01 wrote: post #680
Uhhrrr wrote: post #446

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I agree that opening up in a dumb way would let the virus rip through the population. But we now know that surface transmission isn't as big a deal, and that spreading is much less likely when there isn't sustained contact. We also now have everyone wearing masks. Given those things, I would think that any shop where you ordinarily go in for five or ten minutes and don't touch a bunch of things (shoe repair, sporting…

But the employees of those shops are in sustained contact with each other.

Sure, if the shop is too cramped, don't open. Stick in some proviso in the order that nonessential businesses can only have 1 employee for every x square feet.

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Post by archagon »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #577

I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.

I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Democrats have come out in support of gradually tapering the quarantine, Republican mayors will be chomping at the bit to reopen their cities. 60,000 COVID-19 deaths will be too few.

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Post by thelean12 »

in_cahoots wrote: post #547
urban_strike wrote: post #514

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Flowers aren't consumed for survival, i.e. "essential". I'm not sure how intervals of time has any effect on that.

Shouldn’t the metric incorporate the risk each activity entails? A good example is gardeners. Gardeners work alone or in teams of two, can obey social distancing, and generally don’t even talk to their clients on a regular basis. What is the threat here? What is so magical about the word essential? On the flip side large alcohol stores like Bevmo can stay open and serve hundreds of customers a day because they sell c…

"What is so magical about the word essential?"

Are you a real account? Essential is essential. Food. Gas. Home goods. Infrastructure. Anything that supports essential business.

Alcohol is certainly an outlier, but there are plenty of reasons for it to be essential. Alcoholics would die, for one. Black markets would spring up, for two.

Gardeners are not essential. No one is going to die because they can't get their gardening supplies. The cartel isn't going to get in the tulip business.

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