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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by elliekelly »

cylinder wrote: post #447
lowpro wrote: post #330

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My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

This is not at all different from what's going on across the US for anyone who works in a service role, and most people still haven't had their UI claims processed / payments made.

I suspect credit cards are serving as the “safety net” for many American families right now.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by pests »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #484
cavisne wrote: post #461

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Which ones, other than SK the other good example (japan, china, singapore) all turned out to not be testing.

Vietnam. Contacts put in hard quarantine (hotel/camp with guards), _contacts of contacts_ put in home quarantine.

Weird. I've never went to a camp or hotel with gaurds before.

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Post by scott_s »

icelancer wrote: post #438
scott_s wrote: post #29

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I've seen you say similar things in a few other threads, and myself and others have said, every time: the risk to everyone is that the hospitals become overwhelmed. They are not right now because of stay-at-home orders. What you think of as failure - hospitals currently low utilization - is in fact success .

>> They are not right now because of stay-at-home orders. Can you produce evidence of this? What of the evidence that indicates SIP orders have had no effect, or potentially were detrimental? https://www.wsj.com/articles/lockdowns-wont-stop-the-spread-... https://rt.live/

We were on an exponential growth path before. Now we’re not. It’s impossible to prove that an intervention made things not happen, but this is the predicted outcome.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

icelancer wrote: post #437
roel_v wrote: post #360

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Probably downvotes because the answer to your question is the same as to 90% of all uninformed questions online - "we don't know". There are so many unknowns, things go day by day or week by week at best. I too get annoyed at the 1000'd idiot asking 'but will I be able to go on holiday in August?'. Not saying you're an idiot, just trying to explain why others, like me, would be annoyed at your post and would want to…

Then it would be best if Gov. Newsom and the other elected officials put hard data and target metrics out, not platitudes and "we must get better before we reopen" statements.

They don't want to be beholden to an arbitrary goal they've made in the past - they want to be able to move the goalposts forward or backward and (hopefully) translate the latest advice from experts into actual policy.

I agree with you though - some better expectations-setting would be nice, and probably encourage more people to comply.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by randyrand »

wpietri wrote: post #357
Uhhrrr wrote: post #30

San Francisco has only had 18 COVID-19 deaths in the last 30 days, and only 2 in the last week. [0] That seems amazingly low to me. I'm leaning towards thinking non-essential businesses should be opened up there, provided they function under the same restrictions as grocery stores etc. [0] https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/blob/master/csse_...

You could argue it the other way from the same data. Given that public health officials jumped on it early and got us such a low death rate, maybe we should keep trusting their judgment and let them decide when it's safe to reopen.

Deaths per month is not what matters. Its death per infection that matters. And theres no evidence that SF is doing any better in that regard.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by elliekelly »

muzz wrote: post #273
blast wrote: post #165

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It's a class divide, unfortunately. The people who are getting hit hardest are the people who were already getting hit hardest. Most of those don't frequent the same internet forums we do.

Some politicians have pointed out that some lower income people are getting paid more to _not_ work now, due to unemployment benefits and the CARES Act. I'm not saying that I agree with those politicians. It seems like the concern for lower income people runs the gamut from them not being able to make it to them living high on the benefits hog. Edit: It's not just politicians-- similar stories are on CNBC: https://ww…

Most states are still dreadfully far behind processing unemployment insurance claims. A lot of people who should be getting slightly bigger checks haven’t yet seen a dime of their unemployment insurance.

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Post by solresol »

cavisne wrote: post #461
adrr wrote: post #456

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Other countries have achieved it. Why can’t the US do it?

Which ones, other than SK the other good example (japan, china, singapore) all turned out to not be testing.

Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan.

Well, not completely eliminated, but it will be eliminated soon enough based on current trends.

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Post by jliptzin »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

Yea I am wondering the same thing. I am REALLY lucky to have saved a lot and be in a good living situation where I can quarantine comfortably. But what the hell are people doing who were paycheck to paycheck? I would not blame them if they had to start stealing from supermarkets

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Post by roel_v »

icelancer wrote: post #437
roel_v wrote: post #360

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Probably downvotes because the answer to your question is the same as to 90% of all uninformed questions online - "we don't know". There are so many unknowns, things go day by day or week by week at best. I too get annoyed at the 1000'd idiot asking 'but will I be able to go on holiday in August?'. Not saying you're an idiot, just trying to explain why others, like me, would be annoyed at your post and would want to…

Then it would be best if Gov. Newsom and the other elected officials put hard data and target metrics out, not platitudes and "we must get better before we reopen" statements.

Well they don't know, and neither does anyone else. So it's either throw out an arbitrary goal now, and run the risk of having to change it and people saying 'you keep moving the goal post', or not doing it and people saying 'there's no target or coherent policy'. There's no winning here.

Every couple of days there is a bitchfest on here about idiot managers demanding exact prognoses on software development projects, and then we all agree that because there are unknown unknowns, that's pretty much impossible. How is this any different, if not an order of magnitude more complicated still?

I think the main problem is people expecting government to know everything because - well, they're the government, probably? But they're just a bunch of people like you and me. The fact of the matter is that nobody knows that much. You can complain about that, but that doesn't change the fact that some things are just unknowable at the timeframes we're working on.

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Post by roel_v »

thereisnospork wrote: post #418
roel_v wrote: post #360

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Probably downvotes because the answer to your question is the same as to 90% of all uninformed questions online - "we don't know". There are so many unknowns, things go day by day or week by week at best. I too get annoyed at the 1000'd idiot asking 'but will I be able to go on holiday in August?'. Not saying you're an idiot, just trying to explain why others, like me, would be annoyed at your post and would want to…

The problem is that is been a month now: not having an answer is flatly unacceptable governance.

Why?
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