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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by dehrmann »

rayiner wrote: post #311
muzz wrote: post #273

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Some politicians have pointed out that some lower income people are getting paid more to _not_ work now, due to unemployment benefits and the CARES Act. I'm not saying that I agree with those politicians. It seems like the concern for lower income people runs the gamut from them not being able to make it to them living high on the benefits hog. Edit: It's not just politicians-- similar stories are on CNBC: https://ww…

Why would you not agree? It’s simple math. In most states, your weekly unemployment is half your salary, up to a cap. Under the CARES Act, you then add $600/week. So if that extra $600 is more than half your weekly paycheck, you earn more on unemployment. It works out to everyone earning less than about $62,000, which is more than half of people in most of the country. Pointing out that this creates a disincentive to…

> disincentive to return to work

Arguably, this is a positive unintended consequence of the act in this situation.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by tbrock »

tayo42 wrote: post #430
kvetching wrote: post #373

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That's insane. If they're hesitant to open up now, they will never feel comfortable opening up.

I think that's because nothings different then when it all started. If we open everything up we'll just see new cases again

So what is the plan for re-opening then?

If we continue to shelter in place we just push the curve out instead of flattening it. We need to start reintroducing people to society at a measured pace to actually flatten it.

Don’t misunderstand me, pushing the curve out has tremendous value in that we can better prepare but it also has a tremendous cost.

How many business and livelihoods will be ruined because we couldn’t reopen until a vaccine was available?

It seems crazy to sacrifice most of what makes this city great while the “smartest political minds” do what’s best for their career by transforming it into a partisan issue.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by bananabreakfast »

markdown wrote: post #615
lowpro wrote: post #330

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My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

I'm gonna be that guy... given that people are starving, isn't immoral to ask that money be donated to keep shelter dogs alive? Surely they should just be put to sleep, no?

You have extremely misguided logic.

By extension of your statement: Given that there are always people starving somewhere on Earth at all other points in time too, isn't it immoral to feed pets at all? They should be put down and that food should go to people! Dog food in general is immoral, because it could instead be given to someone starving somewhere.

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Post by PopeDotNinja »

chris11 wrote: post #626
hysan wrote: post #324

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My wife is a certified social worker and knows just about everything there is about that. It’ll be cheaper but far worse in terms of coverage and deductibles. So it’s an option for stretching budget, but it’s not a good solution if anything significant happens. I’ll ask her if she knows what’s changed with regards to COVID-19 related cases, but my guess is that nothing in terms of coverage has changed. So given the c…

Is medicaid a good option? I think you should qualify in California. Also, I don't know your situation, but has your health needs changed recently? I know Kaiser is trying to limit unnecessary office visits.

In California, Obamacare IS Medical (aka Medicaid). I signed up once. I couldn't get my Vyvanse for my ADHD because it's a controlled substance, and the Medical doctor wouldn't touch a prescription for it.

Pro-tip:. If you pay out of pocket for your regular doctor (maybe tell then your situation and work out a deal), you can get Medical to pay for the prescription (verify before trying).

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Post by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 »

elliekelly wrote: post #491
cylinder wrote: post #447

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This is not at all different from what's going on across the US for anyone who works in a service role, and most people still haven't had their UI claims processed / payments made.

I suspect credit cards are serving as the “safety net” for many American families right now.

This is very true. And OPs point is good: the HN/millennial technorati is really out of touch with how much pain will is and will be descending upon the world.

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Post by nradov »

rtkwe wrote: post #625
nradov wrote: post #612

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The original order was never based on any sound science to begin with. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad policy. But it was a faith based policy, not evidence based.

What’s not sound science about separating people to slow down the spread? It’s the only real option for anything like a quarantine with such a long incubation time (and as recently discovered asymptomatic infections) and the absolute lack of tests we had at the beginning of this outbreak... It’s simple math that reducing the number of people in contact with each other would reduce the number of people that got infect…

You have stated a plausible hypothesis. That's one step in the scientific method. Now do the rest of the steps. The actual math isn't so simple.

We all understand that in a crisis sometimes leaders have to take decisive action based on incomplete data. That's fine. Just don't dress it up with some fake veneer of "science".

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Post by markdown »

3solarmasses wrote: post #622
markdown wrote: post #615

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I'm gonna be that guy... given that people are starving, isn't immoral to ask that money be donated to keep shelter dogs alive? Surely they should just be put to sleep, no?

It's only immoral to question the validity of a good cause on the pretense that there's something worse happening out there somewhere...

You're being deliberately obtuse. There are millions of people out of jobs, and soon there'll be millions of people starving. Put moral relativism aside for a minute and think about the real pain that people are feeling right now.

These poor dogs aren't going to find homes that can feed them for a long time.

At some point you need to stop being selfish and putting your own feelings aside to think about the people around you.

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Post by dwaltrip »

landryraccoon wrote: post #465
Skunkleton wrote: post #283

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We already missed the boat on options 1 and 2 due to various governmental incompetencies. Did you not notice that a full third of all cases globally have been in America?

Cases is a very poor metric for this because a country that does zero tests will have zero cases, and therefore look very good. Total deaths IMHO is much more comparable statistic between countries. By that metric it looks a little better for the US, since we have slightly less than a third of the world death total.

For a better comparison, I think you need to look at deaths per capita.

The US is somewhere in the middle of the pack on this metric.

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Post by nostromo »

sjg007 wrote: post #582
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #562

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The US actually can keep printing money for a long, long time, and they've been doing this for quite a while too: https://jeremiahjosey.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/money-supp... Of course inflation will eventually eat away at its value, but at the moment we have the opposite problem, namely a deflationary spiral, because people aren't buying.

Yeah nobody understands that we can print money. It’s the easiest solution and every other country is doing it already.

Hope you’re saving now for your $10m one bedroom condo and your child’s $5m state university education.

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Post by dang »

pgsbathhouse2 wrote: post #587
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #577

I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.

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