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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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> What you think of as failure - hospitals currently low utilization - is in fact success. What bothers me is the contention that my rights are contingent upon reported capacity of already existing hospitals. If this is truly a concern, and our rights our primary, then we should be building more hospitals so that we no longer have to make this Faustian bargain. It seems impractical and short-sighted to continue these…

> What bothers me is the contention that my rights are contingent upon reported capacity of already existing hospitals This is pretty selfish. What about all of the old and immunocompromised people that could _die_? What about the families of those people? These people deserve rights too and I’d say their right to _stay alive_ trumps your “right” to get a hair cut or whatever

Let the old and immuno-compromised shelter in place then while the rest of us build herd immunity. We don't shut down the tobacco or alcohol industry even though second hand smoke and DUIs kill orders of magnitude more innocents than covid-19 ever will. Millions of people die every year. That's never going to change - such is life. You gotta draw a line somewhere and I think the "save lives at all costs, even the cost of the nation's economy" attitude of covid-19 is too far. You'll pay for a ruined economy later in suicides and increased crime (not to mention suicides snuff out way more man-years of life than old people dying of sickness who were already nearing the end of their rope).

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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It's only orderly so far because of a) food supply has not been affected yet*, and b) the gov issued unprecedented bailouts and put money in the hands of many people/businesses. However, we can't just keep printing money forever, if this goes on another 6 months it could be a whole different ball game.

The US actually can keep printing money for a long, long time, and they've been doing this for quite a while too: https://jeremiahjosey.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/money-supp... Of course inflation will eventually eat away at its value, but at the moment we have the opposite problem, namely a deflationary spiral, because people aren't buying.

Yeah nobody understands that we can print money. It’s the easiest solution and every other country is doing it already.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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People forget that there is no law which can put everyone under house arrest. This is all done voluntarily. Why is it ok for people to shop at Walmart and not at their local small business that sells the same goods and is better equipped to enforce social distancing, with customers explicitly opting in to visit the smaller store? If a small business can protect workers and customers, and a comparable large business i…

> Why is it ok for people to shop at Walmart and not at their local small business that sells the same goods and is better equipped to enforce social distancing, with customers explicitly opting in to visit the smaller store?

Small local businesses in the Bay Area that sell similar items to Walmart are open right now, from hardware stores to produce markets. I imagine apparel stores are shut, though many around me are doing online and appointment apparel shopping.

If Walmart is the only store open where you are, it's likely the only store that exists selling essentials where you are, and that is a different problem.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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They will do the same thing homeowners will do; not pay. I hope nobody on here owns munis or bank stocks. Or REITs.

I'm pretty worried about my family. My dad barely survived 2008. My extended family is heavily dependent on commercial real estate. My dad is the least (relatively) successful/smallest of the family. He's an agent (and small owner). At the end of 2019 helped facilitate a HUGE __ insert a top firm __ reit deal; $10 digits in a small ish state. Literally the top of the market. There's a reason his friend who sold that…

It depends on your risk tolerance. If you're hedged with a long put on a decent time horizon, I don't think you have much to worry about, as you're locking in a price in case the REIT falls significantly. Your max loss is capped at the premium+commission you paid for the long put. It helps to have some physical precious metals, as paper precious metals are risky and I don't think COMEX can enforce their futures contracts effectively. This is to hedge against currency risk.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Switzerland actually started reopening with haircuts and manicures. Certainly pressure from groups representing hairdressers was a big part of it, but the justification they use is that contact tracing can be done reliably in such a situation. Keep in mind that they also want to reopen schools, citing dubious claims about children not contributing much to the spread, staying silent about the likely true motivation (s…

The science on children not being significant vectors of COVID (and, by extension, school closures not being very effective) is actually reasonably well established: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/06/school-clo...

I don’t believe that.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.

Are you okay?

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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This is why "We're in this together" is just not true. Oprah has it better than me right now. But we both have it way better than my hairdresser (who knows if her salon will survive). And all three of us have it better than a Silicon Valley janitor. I'm filled every day with deep, deep sadness for everyone whose refrigerators are running out with their bank account at zero.

Not to be pedantic but "Silicon Valley janitor" (at least if it's for a big enough tech co) _might_ be doing OK. Various tech companies have publicly committed to paying their own hourly staff and subcontracted workers like food service / janitorial at full standard pre-shutdown rates: https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/06/big-tech-commits-to-paying... (Though I have no insight into whether or not they've actually follow…

I talk to the janitor that services our offices at a really high end space near the Moscone. No way dude, those poor people are contracted by a bigger firm, they lost all sources of income over a month ago.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

Yea I am wondering the same thing. I am REALLY lucky to have saved a lot and be in a good living situation where I can quarantine comfortably. But what the hell are people doing who were paycheck to paycheck? I would not blame them if they had to start stealing from supermarkets

CA unemployment is near $1000 a week with the federal stimulus.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

#590

I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.

The new order includes several approved low risk activities and transparent indicators that will be used to gauge safety to further reopen. Is there something about this you don’t feel is backed by science?
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