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Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by microtonal » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

cerberusss wrote: post #72

insideBig3 wrote: post #44

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This is why I can't understand the appeal of a MacBook. You have the Apple burden, the Apple costs, what benefits? The touchpad? The showoff luxury of a lighted logo?

Well, it's very good hardware, very stable software (in my experience), and you can drop to a terminal. It's excessively expensive though. It's a business expense for me, but otherwise I would've bought one of those laptops that come with Linux pre-installed.

What really good Linux laptop can you get below the price of a MacBook Air that is not a second-hand Lenovo or a rebranded Clevo? And must have a HiDPI screen.

Most likes Linux laptops are in the same pricing ballpark as a MacBook Air or MacBook Pro. And they don't have macOS.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by microtonal » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #59

insideBig3 wrote: post #44

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This is why I can't understand the appeal of a MacBook. You have the Apple burden, the Apple costs, what benefits? The touchpad? The showoff luxury of a lighted logo?

I can’t either and besides the Mac, I’m fully onboard with the Apple ecosystem - iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods Pro, and an AppleTV 4K. I bought Macs way back in the day - my last one was a 2006 Mac Mini to use as an HTPC. But every time I get ready to buy a computer, Macs don’t seem to have any advantage. I would be installing the same software I use for Windows - Chrome, Visual Studio Code and various language…

I can buy a Dell a lot cheaper - of course from the MS store to avoid all of the crapware - and have more options.

A while ago I installed a pristine Windows 10 (retail) copy on my NUC, just to see where Windows is at. I'll skip the Candy Crash Saga criticism. But I was really surprised that besides the drivers, it also auto-installed some crappy RealTek application and some crappy Intel application (for tweaking GPU settings or whatever). No vendor driver CDs or whatnot. Just letting Windows idle for some time and these applications were installed.

Is it really possible to get a pristine Windows install these days?

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by inanutshellus » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:24 PM UTC

readwind wrote: post #63

inanutshellus wrote: post #47

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One counterpoint - Trust in quality. I'm looking at buying a laptop right now and I can either buy an apple MBP ... OR a MONSTER laptop with much better specs for the same-or-less price. I'm hand-wringing over it. With past laptops I've only been disappointed by the non-Apple laptops I've had. Bad ram, bad battery, bad battery again, bad battery AGAIN, slow-for-hardware-misfiring issues... or the Apple that has been…

You'll get more "SCSI" when you buy macs, if you're a poser, at least, or a signaller, is probably more polite. 'You' is general of course, but, I think this is how it works. You'll be rolling in the SCSI with a mac, or if you plan to hang out with lots of bald men with the Steve Jobs kind of spiel, or something. I'd guess this is how it works. If any of those things are your thing, you should go for the mac, man. Bu…

I too used to be a anti-snob snob, sneering at Apple-buyers buying into a clique.

Then work gave me a Mac. Suddenly I had a Linux machine without the headaches. It took me about 6 months to get used to the OS, but by then I loved it and bought one for the house.

I now have a Linux machine at work and am spending my weekend upgrading the operating system because my video card goes insane and it takes me 3 days of fiddling to finally get it working again.

YES, SPEND MY WEEKEND WORKING SO MY VIDEO CARD WILL WORK.

But my Mac has VIM, grep, awk, cron, sed, and find. A real Linux shell, in other words. It also runs most of the Linux apps I want to run.

Also, I know they didn't stealthily give me a cheap-ass battery that's going to need replacing right outside of warranty. I know it'll be fine.

My laptop isn't a status symbol for you to see and adore.

Honestly?

I wish I could hide the fact that I had a Mac so that I wouldn't worry that it'd be stolen at conferences!

...

Anyway. I humbly suggest that you may be the thing you despise: An Apple snob. Just not the kind most people know. Maybe you're the "Granny Smith" type of Apple snobs. ;-)

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by sloshnmosh » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

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Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by jeremyjh » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

quantummkv wrote: post #76

fomine3 wrote: post #60

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Do you get these advantages with Linux instead of macOS?

The screen will still be the same regardless of the OS. It's advantages would not change.

Battery life will definitely suffer.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by kmorgh » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

trimbo wrote: post #98

wpietri wrote: post #95

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For what it's worth, I've been running Linux on Lenovo laptops for years and years, and lately it has been fine. No weird tweaks, no special kernel builds. It just works.

Is the battery life any good? That has always been the Achilles heel for me. The battery life is like half or 3/4 of what windows gets on the same hardware. Last I tried this was on a 2016 X1 Carbon.

Could get close to a full day of work on the X1 Carbon Yoga Gen2. T480s not so much, but also packs a lot more punch. x1s seem to have best portability

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by jeremyjh » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

aguyfromnb wrote: post #36

dijit wrote: post #32

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You directly implied that people are buying Apple products for the logo. I don’t believe I misinterpreted that.

> You directly implied that people are buying Apple products for the logo. Apple makes kick-ass machines, but I see Macbook Pros everywhere . How many people in the real world need a $2000+ computer? If these people aren't buying it for the logo, what are they buying it for? Apple has positioned themselves as a lifestyle brand. How can you deny that?

This thread is on Hacker News. Programmers have very legitimate reasons to buy MBPs, just read this thread.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by 0xff00ffee » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

_bxg1 wrote: post #96

0xff00ffee wrote: post #80

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I run multiple OSes as part of my job. The small investment in VMWare Fusion was worth it but I still need some dedicated machines. I just have a few issues: Problem #1: Disk space requirements. I have a late 2013 MBP and windows gobbles up a min 60GB for the image, which is 1/4th my SDD. This is why I ended up buying cheap beige boxes for every other OS (or AWS). Problem #2: Clipboard on VMWare is a trainwreck. Same…

You know you can use regular mice on macs, right?

I explain how I'm running on 3 OSes and you actually think I don't know that?

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by FPGAhacker » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

inanutshellus wrote: post #42

Narann wrote: post #15

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Honest question: Having Linux on a Mac a decade ago had sense has Mac hardwares were special enough to provide value, but now you have XPS-like hardware, why would people buy a Mac to install a Linux on it? Dual boot? What does Mac hardware have that others don't?

Here's some anecdata: I have a 2011 MBA whose battery still lasts an hour and it can do all the "daily driver" tasks except gaming. (Meanwhile I replaced my other laptop's battery 3 times in that time!) THe MBA's mobo finally went out so I'm in the market for a new laptop NOW and want to justify buying an EIGHTH GEN i5 MBP for over $1000 when there are laptops with TENTH gen i7's and >1tb hdd's for similar money.....…

Any reason you aren't looking at ryzen based laptops?

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by ShamelessC » Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

em500 wrote: post #14

omarhaneef wrote: post #11

Or go to windows hyper-v manager, and click install Ubuntu image. And you’re done! (Ok, expanding the memory to a decent size is a little more work)

If you're ok with virtualized Ubuntu rather than native, it's just as easy to install on the Mac: https://multipass.run/

I've somehow never heard of multipass.run before. It looks very similar to Vagrant though. Is there any reason to choose this over Vagrant?