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Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by Quanttek »

yencabulator wrote: post #190
Quanttek wrote: post #110

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> (m|b)illionaires making their money from the Internet could easily sponsor the project. The thing is: When you're the kind of person that is able to amass m-/billions, you're unlikely to be very altruistic. Most of these people had to, excuse my language, fuck over people (workers, customers, investors, the larger public) along the way in various ways. You simply can't be a billionaire without some kind of severe e…

> Bill Gates comes to mind I'd argue that Bill Gates is regretting his previous actions and trying to fix his "karma" in his retirement. He was just as bad as the rest of them.

Oh no, I agree! He was definitely ruthless during his reign as the head of Microsoft. Generally, when one can show such disregard than one has an overall character allowing for that, so it's rare that people would behave differently when it comes to their wealth. But, of course, people can change - even if it is out of a feeling of guilt.

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by hadtodoit »

waste_monk wrote: post #184
13415 wrote: post #149

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It seems to me that Craigslist must have made some monumental misjudgment when they didn't expand internationally. I for one, for example, only know of them from hearsay as some kind of obscure US-only classified ads site.

They are international; it's just that outside of the US the quantity of posts is much lower as people use local alternatives. Also a large portion of craigslist here was just the personals section - once that was shut down there is basically no good reason to use it anymore, as it simply doesn't have the network effect / critical mass of users to sustain itself. The remaining users all seem to be work-related scams…

I still buy and sell all my cars on craigslist, I don't think I've ever dealt cars elsewhere.

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by justnotworthit »

thaeli wrote: post #52
justnotworthit wrote: post #37

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I work on a project depended upon and repeatedly promoted by Snowden (tweets) and less-than-public-figures-who-lives-depend-on-it (pastebins). We gave up writing grant proposals. After repeatedly pouring hours into crafting proposals exactly as specified, the big one (no plural) OTF (.gov funding) has never responded. The smaller, more informal ones aren't interested as well (no clue why). What little OTF money there…

What is the project? (I understand if you don't want to name it in this context, but I am curious.)

Whonix

https://www.whonix.org/

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by anigbrowl »

fierarul wrote: post #187
anigbrowl wrote: post #176

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I'm responding to the person who cited it above. Please try reading the whole thread instead of just the last post.

An open source foundations with billions does not exist, except Mozilla Foundation but they don't really spread out the money to other projects compared to what they spend on their own products. So, the answer is that nothing exist. Out of the given options a few also don't qualify (like I mentioned, Apache for sure, opensource.org most likely) because they don't spend money on software development at all.

The original comment of mine that started this thread:

Why isn't there a public open-source fund [...]

I know it doesn't exist. The non-existence thereof was what prompted that question. I have no idea what point you're attempting to make.

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by projektfu »

kragen wrote: post #185
Thorrez wrote: post #183

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Yeah, but I don't think projektfu was talking about sedition, so bringing up sedition didn't seem relevant to me. projektfu was just using the quote as a reference to an example type of forbidden speech. The podcast you linked to in your other comment seems to think the quote is true today (although not useful in most discussion due to being too obviously true): > It’s a rhetorical device to say the First Amendment i…

As has been made clear by subsequent comments, projektfu was just repeating words they had heard previously, without having any idea what they referred to, as Eliza or a scarlet macaw might do. It's not useful to project an intent onto their words to refer to anything in particular. Presumably projektfu is, unlike Eliza, a human with mental processes who is capable of forming intents, including intents to emit uttera…

Actually I was talking about the sedition case, but more of a “clear and present danger” type of reading. I don’t think it’s seditious to protest emergency measures, but at the same time there’s a grey area where the right to protest buts against public safety. These are short term restrictions. I assume in the government wants to get their jurisdiction back to normal. At least, there’s no evidence to me that they are happy about the current situation.

I understood Holmes to be saying that protesting the war in that epoch could lead to actual violence in the US. The domestic terrorism of the anarchists earlier in the decade could make you feel that way.

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by Thorrez »

kragen wrote: post #185
Thorrez wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but I don't think projektfu was talking about sedition, so bringing up sedition didn't seem relevant to me. projektfu was just using the quote as a reference to an example type of forbidden speech. The podcast you linked to in your other comment seems to think the quote is true today (although not useful in most discussion due to being too obviously true): > It’s a rhetorical device to say the First Amendment i…

As has been made clear by subsequent comments, projektfu was just repeating words they had heard previously, without having any idea what they referred to, as Eliza or a scarlet macaw might do. It's not useful to project an intent onto their words to refer to anything in particular. Presumably projektfu is, unlike Eliza, a human with mental processes who is capable of forming intents, including intents to emit uttera…

> projektfu was just repeating words they had heard previously, without having any idea what they referred to, as Eliza or a scarlet macaw might do.

I use many figures of speech every day which I don't know the etymologies of. I don't think it's necessary to study the origin of every figure of speech before using it.

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by fierarul »

anigbrowl wrote: post #194
fierarul wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An open source foundations with billions does not exist, except Mozilla Foundation but they don't really spread out the money to other projects compared to what they spend on their own products. So, the answer is that nothing exist. Out of the given options a few also don't qualify (like I mentioned, Apache for sure, opensource.org most likely) because they don't spend money on software development at all.

The original comment of mine that started this thread: Why isn't there a public open-source fund [...] I know it doesn't exist. The non-existence thereof was what prompted that question. I have no idea what point you're attempting to make.

Clearly you are smart enough to realise what point I was trying to make, although it was perhaps tangential to your original question.

I do apologise for replying to you. If only HN would have a feature to block me from replying to you in the future.

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by specialist »

geofft wrote: post #167
specialist wrote: post #87

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Though I remain conflicted with their choices, I sympathize. Generosity, credulity, principle will always be exploited. I have no idea how anyone can safeguard against bad faith.

There's two kinds of bad faith here, I think. One kind of bad faith is that of the Illinois Nazis. Obviously, had they succeeded in their political goals, the ACLU would be purged and fundamental civil rights would be abridged for all but the chosen race. Still, they had a valid free speech concern, and the ACLU believed in a society where anyone could conduct a march, even if the Nazis didn't and were being hypocrit…

Belatedly, sorry: I really appreciate your thoughtful reply.

I had to refresh my memory of ACLU's involvement. FWIW, reading their own position, I think they made a good call.

But more importantly, they fail to explain their process for deciding which cases to take.

The handful of affiliates I checked don't publish their bylaws, meeting announcements, minutes, and so forth.

Having served as Secretary for my local political party, I saw firsthand the importance of transparency and accountability. While the charges of bias and so forth never go away, our org, uniquely in our region, always addressed those concerns head-on. We also proactively recommended to our members amendments to our bylaws, to address holes or changing circumstances.

The ACLU should do the same.

Re: Covid-19’s impact on Tor

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Post by kragen »

projektfu wrote: post #195
kragen wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As has been made clear by subsequent comments, projektfu was just repeating words they had heard previously, without having any idea what they referred to, as Eliza or a scarlet macaw might do. It's not useful to project an intent onto their words to refer to anything in particular. Presumably projektfu is, unlike Eliza, a human with mental processes who is capable of forming intents, including intents to emit uttera…

Actually I was talking about the sedition case, but more of a “clear and present danger” type of reading. I don’t think it’s seditious to protest emergency measures, but at the same time there’s a grey area where the right to protest buts against public safety. These are short term restrictions. I assume in the government wants to get their jurisdiction back to normal. At least, there’s no evidence to me that they ar…

I was wrong, and I apologize for jumping to such an uncharitable conclusion and for baselessly accusing you of psittacity. I was being a jackass, and I'm sorry.

However, your reading of Schenck is incorrect.

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