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Re: Japan to fund firms to shift production out of China

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Post by FooBarWidget »

reaperducer wrote: post #246
blub wrote: post #229

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No. The WHO constantly downplayed this pandemic and kowtowed to China to the point of disgracefully delaying calling it a pandemic and then playing catch-up when individual countries started ignoring the WHO and implemented their own measures. Then the WHO switched gears and complained that the countries were doing too little too late. They've been almost completely worthless in this crisis.

The WHO constantly downplayed this pandemic and kowtowed to China See also: The whole WHO/Taiwan debacle, which is still ongoing. The WHO is OK risking the lives of people in Taiwan in order to keep the mainland happy. You would think that the WHO would put the health of people, regardless of where they live, ahead of politics.

WHO does not officially recognize Taiwan because the UN does not officially recognize Taiwan, and the WHO is a UN organization. It is as simple as that.if you disagree then you gotta take it to the UN.

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Post by botwriter »

behnamoh wrote: post #251
systemvoltage wrote: post #148

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CCP does not understand that playing asymmetric games from business laws (booting Uber off of China for example), diplomacy and global influence, etc is damaging long term brand and goodwill. In this pandemic, democratic nations are suffering more than authoritarian regimes purely by choice - complete Wuhan style measures are unacceptable say in Sweden. This asymmetry is going to give a short term boost to China. Lon…

I sincerely hope most foreign businesses move their factories away from China. On top of that, China has to be held responsible for crime against humanity and must be punished.

don't know why you're being downvoted for this.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

behnamoh wrote: post #274
lemontruth wrote: post #253

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It was 8 hours: "At 2 am on 23 January 2020, authorities issued a notice informing residents of Wuhan that from 10 am [..] residents of Wuhan were also not allowed to leave the city without permission from the authorities." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns where is the 48h come from?

Creating a throw-away account just to prove to someone that China did something right...

Because HN and the english speaking world is usually so anti-China, that people who are neutral of China get angry responses or are downvoted badly. Note: I am not even saying supportive of China; even being neutral is already considered unacceptable or lunacy by many people.

Things are so bad that many people are afraid to speak up for China using their own identities. I used to be one of those people who were afraid.

But now I have had enough. I personally experienced the lockdown in China and how distorted the western reporting is. That is why now I am stepping out and letting my voice known.

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Post by wendyshu »

_-david-_ wrote: post #210
wendyshu wrote: post #29

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Have morals that aren't a function of geographic location, presumably.

If you only have limited supplies its immoral to help somebody geographically closer than you than somebody further away?

Ceteris paribus I don't think many people would find that immoral, no.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

systemvoltage wrote: post #201
throwawaysea wrote: post #36

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Not just China but the WHO, who recommended no international travel restrictions very late into this crisis ( https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/who-advice-for... ), then ignored Taiwan’s requests in favor of Beijing propaganda and claimed the virus does not transmit between humans ( https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-05/taiwan... ), and has repeated failures seen in their response to other…

In addition, WHO is heavily influenced by China; here is an interview with a senior WHO official who was asked about Taiwan - he simply hangs up the phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM

WHO does not officially recognize Taiwan because the UN does not officially recognize Taiwan, and the WHO is a UN organization. It is as simple as that. If you disagree then you gotta take it to the UN.

The poor guys at the WHO just want to focus on fighting diseases, and yet everybody is trying to use them for political agendas. If I was that guy I would be inclined to shut down too.

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viklove wrote: post #232
henearkr wrote: post #206

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I think that the WHO communication was proportionate to the current knowledge at the time of each of their interventions. First of all they said, when it was clear there was a problem "We have a simple message for all countries: test, test, test." (and then Trump and almost everybody else did not want to hear that) And moreover they said more exactly, some time before the previous item, that "Preliminary investigatio…

The WHO is obviously in China's pocket. I mean they can't even bring themselves to use the word Taiwan in public communications.

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Post by throw_this_one »

eunos wrote: post #257
throw_this_one wrote: post #231

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Yeah their strategy is to grow so large that they can just call the shots. I would be a ton of "western" politicians and business leaders are in their pockets too. Instead of a head on conflict they are going to slowly absorb the enemy. This is one area that I think Trump was right in, and the Dems (and neo-cons) seemed to be mostly in their pockets. I don't fully understand what Obama's China plan was.

> I don't fully understand what Obama's China plan was. Built a strong United Front comprises of countries around China with the US at the top, especially the IP monopoly. While it takes a long time it will subliminally erode China's competitiveness. Quite similar to the plan to erode USSR's economy without a hot war between NATO and Warsaw's pact.

That's what I assumed. Was the TPP that, or was there more to come? And if so, why was Hillary against it?

Trumps plan looks better on the surface but I think it is bigly flawed. To try to take them head on but not actually doing much. And he really hasn't even tried to crank them with the tarrifs.

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Post by enitihas »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #151
zepto wrote: post #116

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I agree with most of what you wrote here, but I wish people would stop listing “praise” as the primary thing that healthcare workers deserve. Why not say they deserve money?

Fair, and I absolutely agree with that. Unfortunately, it would have to be mandated by fiat for it to happen, because market economy tends to reward people in proportion to the inverse of the value they provide to the society at large.

Market economy rewards people in proportion to what costs to replace them, so unskilled jobs get rewarded less. There is no chance in hell writing a crud app delivers more value to society than saving one single life.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

twomoretime wrote: post #143
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #71

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Yeah being President sucks. Supposed to be well-informed and make correct decisions, not rely on journalist's whining to create policy and take action. But so much easier to just issue sound-bytes and respond to whatever is the issue of the day.

Everybody screwed up. But journalists have a serious problem with exaggerating and outright falsifying controversies when their party is out of office. That doesn't excuse the actions of Republican party members but it does destroy the credibility of the journalistic establishment. Which has devolved into a total cash grabbing, activist joke. And this happened before Trump.

Agreed. Sometime after web publishing became a thing, and Editors left the equation.
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