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Re: Japan to fund firms to shift production out of China

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Post by systemvoltage »

throwawaysea wrote: post #36
hkmurakami wrote: post #12

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I personally enjoyed the hypocrisy of China initially requesting Nations to not "overreact" and close borders to its travelers (mid February), then proceeding to do exactly this towards these same nations (mid March) when things became worse overseas.

Not just China but the WHO, who recommended no international travel restrictions very late into this crisis ( https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/who-advice-for... ), then ignored Taiwan’s requests in favor of Beijing propaganda and claimed the virus does not transmit between humans ( https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-05/taiwan... ), and has repeated failures seen in their response to other…

In addition, WHO is heavily influenced by China; here is an interview with a senior WHO official who was asked about Taiwan - he simply hangs up the phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM

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Post by pinkfoot »

str33t_punk wrote: post #136
ubermon wrote: post #46

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2) China trying to use soft power, but the whole drama feels fake. It is good that they are sending supplies (often faulty and not up to the quality, see dutch story around this) but it doesn't feel genuine. I am curious what will be considered not fake and genuine support? Damned if they and damned if they don’t. AFAIK Dutch issued a article clarify the mistake they made which nobody seems to care. I don’t think any…

One reason people don’t trust China’s aid is that the shortage is caused by China. They bought up the worlds supply of PPE (over 2 billion masks) and nationalized factories owned by foreign companies (such as 3m) so their masks produced stay internal. It’s almost as if I cornered the food market and then when people were starving I start selling them food but disguising it as a loving donation. People can see through…

Nonsense.

Here [1] is a fine article of an all-American company in Texas that is too nervous to get back into the business of making masks since they lost a ton of money and had to lay off over 100 staff when demand vanished after the last SARS panic.

They still have the equipment and know-how. They just don't trust the market.

Not a single Chinese government official involved in this sad saga.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/02/15/coronavir...

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Post by powerapple »

philliphaydon wrote: post #84
not_exactly__ wrote: post #62

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> But this time, reporting to WHO took ~5 days. It was discovered by dr Zhang Jixian on Dec 26, then reported to WHO on Dec 31. False. It took much longer than five days. The WHO was indeed notified on the 31st but the Chinese government organs knew about this long before. First CCTV report that I recall was around the 15th. First confirmed cases were early December. There’s even US intel reports dating back to Novem…

We heard about it just before Xmas time in Singapore. Basically that there was another SARS outbreak in china. It was definitely known before the 26th.

Apparently a lady heard it appeared in September, somewhere not in China.

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Post by remarkEon »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #173
throw_m239339 wrote: post #152

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> The pandemic wouldn't be anywhere near as severe if there was a coordinated global response. You mean if China didn't lie at the beginning of the pandemic, that's with these people you want to associate?

Even with China lying at the beginning of the pandemic, there were then whole two months when the rest of the world watched it spread and didn't do anything to protect themselves. The severity of the pandemic is not China's fault.

I'm not sure I follow.

The rest of the world was acting with the (false) information that China, and the WHO, were putting out there - including that there was "no evidence of human-to-human" transmission. So perhaps when you say it's "not China's fault", this is technically true in the sense that it's the fault of the rest of us for taking what were obvious lies at face value.

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Post by henearkr »

surge wrote: post #171
sct202 wrote: post #157

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No one has to listen to the CCP. The CCP acts offended by everything.

The problem is, the WHO does, they even said this thing wasn't transmitted person to person. And they're supposed to be the authority everyone was saying to listen to.

I think that the WHO communication was proportionate to the current knowledge at the time of each of their interventions.

First of all they said, when it was clear there was a problem "We have a simple message for all countries: test, test, test." (and then Trump and almost everybody else did not want to hear that)

And moreover they said more exactly, some time before the previous item, that "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission". So your position is a deformation of their words.

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Post by _-david-_ »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #160
blhack wrote: post #90

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The reason that the flight attendants tell you to put on your own mask before helping others is so you CAN help others, otherwise everybody dies. Wether it cleanly fits into your political ideology or not, The United States is the most powerful country in the world, and in the coming years as less powerful countries work to stamp this out, we are going to be doing a lot to help them. As the US goes, so goes the world…

> Wether it cleanly fits into your political ideology or not, The United States is the most powerful country in the world It's not a matter of my ideology. I recognize that the US was the most powerful country in the world before the pandemic, but looking at the news about the US response, I have a feeling it will no longer be once the coronavirus is finally dealt with. Then again, maybe I'm just biased by the dispro…

If the US is not the most powerful country then who is? The US has the strongest economy and the strongest military. What other measure are you looking at? Even if you want to look at Europe as a single country then that would be debatable. UK just left and its looking like there is growing support for Spain and Poland to leave. It looks like the EU may be falling apart.

I think you need to look at individual US states vs the US as a whole. The federal government doesn't really have authority to do everything that other country's federal governments do. For example its generally accepted that the federal government cannot force every citizen to be in lockdown while the states can.

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Post by christkv »

bigpumpkin wrote: post #121
AtomicOrbital wrote: post #60

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when china shutdown domestic movement into/out of Wuhan they kept open international movement into/out of Wuhan ... at the same time neighbor countries with china tried to block cross boarder movement yet china forced those trade routes to stay open well after Wuhan had entered lockdown - pure evil

This is false, by the time they shut down movement out of Wuhan, the airport was closed. There were, however, people who already left Wuhan who then left the country. There were also repatriation flights out of Wuhan.

I think people forget that they gave 48h warning before the lockdown happened causing a huge amount of what was likely infected people to flee.

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Post by _-david-_ »

wendyshu wrote: post #29
atonse wrote: post #24

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As it should be. A nation's government should ABSOLUTELY put its citizens over everything else. Not sure what you would have them do instead? What is happening is unfair to some, but the individual governments are doing exactly what they should be doing, valuing their people above all else.

Have morals that aren't a function of geographic location, presumably.

If you only have limited supplies its immoral to help somebody geographically closer than you than somebody further away?
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