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The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by verytrivial »

2008guy wrote: post #44
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

Actually the “flu bro” crowd has some really good points. For me, it’s impossible to ignore the inconsistency. Imagine tens of thousands of people standing before you before they perish gruesomely. These people who died of preventable things other than covid 19, are ignored by society — nobody cares. You aren’t considered a murderer for going to work with the flu (but you technically are) and you aren’t considered ir…

> I think hospitals should maintain enough capacity to handle influx.

Ooo, you're sooooo close to understanding the problem. Keep at it!

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by vrinstan »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

You seem to imply that you are holding the greater truth. You also imply that people that don't hold your views need some "cure", they are somehow sick. Haha! Question yourself why you think like that before trying to cure the others.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by chmod775 »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #64
Murkin wrote: post #29

Since the other causes of death remain static in this chart, its hard to tell if Covid-19 are new cases or "take away from other causes" (and by what percentage). Would be interesting to see daily chart of Covid-19 deaths as % of total deaths and daily total deaths. PS. Extra points - number of deaths due to lockdowns (suicides, unaccessible healthcare, etc)

One data point: in New York City, deaths at home have increased from about 20-25 per day to 245, averaged over a recent week. https://gothamist.com/news/surge-number-new-yorkers-dying-ho...

That's... more misleading thsn useful by itself. Of course when people they die they'll do so at home when they can't be somewhere else.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by blaser-waffle »

solarengineer wrote: post #101
fzeroracer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's already been solved by the conspiracy theorists. They'll move to say that it was the result of 5G. Nothing you can do can convince them that the coronavirus is real. They fundamentally deny that it exists even as it knocks on their door.

I’m not sure why you are being downvoted. There was a news report today of YouTube taking down a video of a conspiracy theorist who spoke for two hours on how 5g triggered the Corona virus. https://theweek.com/speedreads/907411/youtube-bans-coronavir...

Such nonsense. How do they explain the black plague? or the Spanish flu?

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

>> Disclaimer: COVID-19 data is the number of ACTUAL US deaths since March 15th, 2020 as reported on Worldometer against the backdrop of the EXTRAPOLATED DAILY number of deaths for top 15 causes of death in the US based on the latest (2018) data from the CDC. This chart is not meant to represent statistical analysis of any kind, it is meant for visual purposes only to help raise public awareness of the exponentially increasing COVID-19 deaths in the US

This is a really awful chart. The number of deaths from Covid-19 is animated as they increase day-by-day, but the numbers of deaths from all other causes remain constant. These numbers (the blue bars) are stated to be the "EXTRAPOLATED DAILY numbers of deaths from the top 15 causes of death in the US" (other than Covid-19), but if they are "DAILY" numbers, why aren't they changing daily?

The last sentence in the disclaimer is at least honest about it: this graph has no real information content. I for one find this graph to only serve the purpose of sensationalising a situation that is already dramatic enough without the need of animations and special effects. Really. The only thing missing is epic music in the background. Something from Carmina Burana, perhaps.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by 101404 »

tomohawk wrote: post #62
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

> deniers... > bro crowd ... > dense crowd ... > bashing their heads ... Maybe it's your tone?

Sadly, that is very likely a main reason.

Political discussion isn't so much about the exchange of views anymore, but about "winning" and "destroying" the other side.

And there is a reason for that. There is an interesting interview with a US 4-Star General about the topic of "controlling the public" in cyberspace: https://youtu.be/qOTYgcdNrXE

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by NhanH »

stronglikedan wrote: post #91
swiley wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are still people denying it? Everyone I knew in that camp has been convinced.

People are skeptical of the numbers, and rightly so. Unfortunately, this crisis has gotten to the point where you can't criticize any part of the response without being lumped into the "denier" category. For instance, I am not convinced that masks are more helpful to healthy people than they are harmful, and that is really my only criticism thus far, but whenever I mention that in an online forum, I'm dismissed as a…

I took a look at your post history, and I don't really agree with any of your reasoning not to wear a mask going outside.

But here is the biggest one: at pandemic level, it's much more productive and safer for everyone to assume that they are potentially infected, and wear mask to prevent spreading it elsewhere. In my country, when facing guidelines of social distancing, a lot of people are responding with "I am healthy, and I don't really care if I got infected so I should be able to go outside and do everything I want". And if you follow it up with "You might not care about your health, but you might spread it to other people, so you should still stay home", their answer is "Are you saying I am infected? I am not". Your argument is suspiciously similar to that line of reasoning.

Yes, non-medical mask might not block things coming into your body, but everyone is a potential carrier, and if everyone wears a mask, society gets safer, quicker.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] »

andruby wrote: post #56
coldcode wrote: post #9

At least the Covid-19 deaths have a limit, whereas many of the others will remain constant for a much longer time. The sadness of this disease is for many countries it did not need to be so bad. I wonder if we as a country (US) will learn anything from this.

What is the limit for Covid-19 deaths? We don't know yet if we'll get a working vaccine or if immunity from antibodies lasts long enough. What we have at the moment are educated guesses. If Covid-19 becomes endemic, it could be a death cause that is always present like influenza. This might be a bit morbid, but every death cause has a limit, the whole population..

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Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by yetihehe »

cfontes wrote: post #95
igetspam wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you know pigs. I can assure you they don't actually like it. They prefer clean water but go with mud because it's usually available. Wrestling with them in anything makes them unhappy (they're prey animals and it's instinctual). The only way to get a pig to do something like that and MAYBE be OK with it is food. I usually fill a kiddie pool with fresh water and Cheerios, to bathe them. The trick it to bathe th…

That is cool! Thanks for the info, this is why HN is awesome. COVID topic, and all of a sudden you learn every children book is wrong!

Yeah, like with mice loving cheese. They will even eat cardboard and cables, but prefer grain and bread.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by nradov »

coldtea wrote: post #108
nradov wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you consider a "denier" exactly? This is obviously the worst public health crisis in our lifetimes. But on an individual level, the majority of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 won't experience symptoms any worse than a bad flu. So I can understand why some people aren't concerned.

People aren't concerned if hundreds of thousands end up dying? The majority of people weren't in WTC either...

Yes unfortunately there are many people who don't care about the suffering and death of others. But being callous doesn't make someone a "denier".
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