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The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by solarengineer »

fzeroracer wrote: post #37
pfdietz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sheer mass of dead bodies will be refuting it soon, if it hasn't already. Unless the deniers want to posit a massive increase in non-Covid deaths that mimics a pandemic.

That's already been solved by the conspiracy theorists. They'll move to say that it was the result of 5G. Nothing you can do can convince them that the coronavirus is real. They fundamentally deny that it exists even as it knocks on their door.

I’m not sure why you are being downvoted. There was a news report today of YouTube taking down a video of a conspiracy theorist who spoke for two hours on how 5g triggered the Corona virus.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/907411/youtube-bans-coronavir...

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by nradov »

Murkin wrote: post #29

Since the other causes of death remain static in this chart, its hard to tell if Covid-19 are new cases or "take away from other causes" (and by what percentage). Would be interesting to see daily chart of Covid-19 deaths as % of total deaths and daily total deaths. PS. Extra points - number of deaths due to lockdowns (suicides, unaccessible healthcare, etc)

The excess deaths caused by the lockdown are likely to be spread out over years. They will be deaths of despair from suicide, substance abuse, and chronic diseases (including depression). The epidemiologists and public health officials don't appear to be factoring those deaths into their models.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by qwerty456127 »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

Why bother? Just tell them you hate flu, especially kinds easy to catch and prone to result in severe symptoms. I believe that's sufficient and easy enough to understand. Ok, we've got a particularly infective and nasty kind of flu here, let's do our best to avoid it.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by Veen »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

I think part of the problem is the level of uncertainty. We do not know:

- The true number of people who are infected.

- The death rate, which would require that we know how many people are or have been infected.

- The number of people who have tested positive and then died of COVID-19, rather than a pre-existing condition.

- The number of people who have already had COVID-19. Data from various sources show that up to 75 percent of people may be asymptomatic.

Some people--not all--look at the degree of uncertainty in the data and conclude that "experts" can't possibly know what they claim to know. It just isn't possible.

The "cure" for such people will be widespread testing or at least randomized testing.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by nradov »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

What do you consider a "denier" exactly? This is obviously the worst public health crisis in our lifetimes. But on an individual level, the majority of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 won't experience symptoms any worse than a bad flu. So I can understand why some people aren't concerned.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by pedrocr »

iso1631 wrote: post #75
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #4

From the disclaimer: COVID-19 data is the number of ACTUAL US deaths since March 15th, 2020 as reported on Worldometer against the backdrop of the EXTRAPOLATED DAILY number of deaths for top 15 causes of death in the US based on the latest (2018) data from the CDC.

And crucially ignores the reduction in deaths from heart failure, road traffic, etc. at this time

If the objective is to put the risk in perspective, then comparing to normal times makes more sense. Our perceived risk of dying in a car crash is based on the times we are actually normally driving and not when we are quarantined at home.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by rob74 »

simion314 wrote: post #10
StavrosK wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they like feeling "in the know" while the rest of us are "swindled by the rhetoric". They're very damaging to the population and I don't know how we can handle them.

I think some of the denial is because of the lockdown, the lockdown is affecting their financials, money is more valuable for them then life or medics and some other guys so the lockdown is a mistake, the rest is a lot of number manipulating to prove why we need to remove the lockdown and make money again. I mean if you see the situation in Italy and Spain and you still say "it is just flu, nothing different then usu…

Yeah, this thinking pattern is already well-practiced with climate change: "if we acknowledge there's a problem, doing something about it will hurt us financially, so it's better to simply deny there is a problem in the first place"...

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by coldtea »

nradov wrote: post #105
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

What do you consider a "denier" exactly? This is obviously the worst public health crisis in our lifetimes. But on an individual level, the majority of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 won't experience symptoms any worse than a bad flu. So I can understand why some people aren't concerned.

People aren't concerned if hundreds of thousands end up dying?

The majority of people weren't in WTC either...

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by qwerty456127 »

solarengineer wrote: post #101
fzeroracer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's already been solved by the conspiracy theorists. They'll move to say that it was the result of 5G. Nothing you can do can convince them that the coronavirus is real. They fundamentally deny that it exists even as it knocks on their door.

I’m not sure why you are being downvoted. There was a news report today of YouTube taking down a video of a conspiracy theorist who spoke for two hours on how 5g triggered the Corona virus. https://theweek.com/speedreads/907411/youtube-bans-coronavir...

I love the fact people are attacking 5G anyway. Although the claims of a connection between 5G and the virus sound nonsensical, 5G still is a privacy catastrophe ought to be stopped.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by cfontes »

pjc50 wrote: post #70
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

There are three big factors at play. These factors are magnified in cults, but you can actually see them working at the small scale even in your office or family about completely trivial subjects. The first is hierarchy - most people get their idea of true/false right/wrong through the social structure they're embedded in, and from who they consider senior and look up to. This is pretty fixed even if the senior figur…

"Anything from outside can be stupidly ignored."

Fixed your last sentence.

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