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Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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It’s a joke. I know people who have been to the ER with severe symptoms who were turned away without testing (mostly because they’re young and “expected” to recover). Every company that’s using testing as a precondition for benefits, when testing has been widely reported to be unavailable, is despicable.

I went to Stanford last weekend with a slight fever and sore throat and was tested and had results in about 16 hours. You could go right now and get tested there if you have symptoms. It’s an anecdote, sure, but the idea that people can’t get tested isn’t completely true.

I know multiple people personally who called in experiencing COVID symptoms and were told to not even come to the hospital. If you aren't above a certain age or don't have preexisting conditions, they're likely not going to test you.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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> Since when do the unit metrics on this business add up? Never. Without VC money or gig workers who do not understand the costs of depreciation this model does not work for something as low margin as groceries. At 10% margin, which is insane for groceries, you’d need a $100+ order to breaking even the cost of delivery. Forget actually making a profit. And real margins are closer to 2-3%.

Over $100 is insane for groceries? We regularly spend that much for a family of three almost every weekend. Admittedly, we are in a high CoL area.

I see you’re being downvoted, just wanted to add that our family of 3 also regularly spends over $100 weekly on groceries. We live in a fairly high cost-of-living area as well (Los Angeles, SF before that). A mix of prepared foods and raw ingredients, trying to source responsibly, for ~20 feedings adds up quickly.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Over $100 is insane for groceries? We regularly spend that much for a family of three almost every weekend. Admittedly, we are in a high CoL area.

The 10% margins are what’d be insane. Not an individual bill of $100. At 2-3% the profits on that bill drop down to nowhere near enough to cover gas, mileage, health insurance, unemployment tax, and everything else tacked on for the true cost of delivery.

> At 2-3% the profits on that bill drop down to nowhere near enough to cover gas, mileage, health insurance, unemployment tax, and everything else tacked on for the true cost of delivery.

I don't understand how most of those things are "true costs" at all.

This type of work is ideal for college students, who are typically still on their parents health insurance, or as supplementary work for someone who already has a full time job and wants to work a few extra hours.

Unemployment doesn't even make sense in this context because you work whatever hours you want and they don't really do layoffs. Even if the company went out of business, there are several others offering the same type of work immediately to anyone.

Gas costs money, but how much is highly dependent on vehicle type and people doing this type of work have the obvious incentive to use higher efficiency vehicles where the gas for this kind of trip would cost less than $1, and for the same reason to choose more reliable vehicles with below average maintenance costs.

The way you get really gnarly cost estimates is by using the same depreciation models that corporations do when they buy new vehicles for the sole purpose of making deliveries -- because you then lose $10,000 or more in value over the first few years of ownership regardless of mileage or anything else you do. But for someone using a personal vehicle they would need regardless, that huge reduction in value due to age is already a sunk cost.

And it is a bad deal for anyone who is trying to make a long-term career out of it, but the people expecting to do that should look elsewhere for employment. Not every job is a career, and why should it have to be?

It is better for jobs with high flexibility and low compensation to exist for the people who want them. The people who need less flexibility and more compensation should choose different jobs.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Unfortunately for these workers, with the unprecedented spike in unemployment [1] I suspect Instacart will be able to find a lot of desperate people willing to cross the picket line. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ICSA

It's unfortunate that labor organizing has been anemic for so long I am guessing a lot of adults are not aware of what crossing a picket line even is. I can't blame people who need to work but those of us who could just use some other app should do so.

Certainly the instacart workers helped me the last two weeks shut in, it's the least we can do.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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I would rather pay a higher delivery fee and (1) have enough workers to deliver my goods (2) Have them (and me) protected adequately. The whole way delivery works is broken right now.

> I would rather pay a higher delivery fee In New York, we have Caviar [1][2], a mid-tier to premium food-delivery company. They differentiated based on premium food. I haven't heard any complaints from their delivery staff, though this may be on account of their size. Is there a premium player in the grocery delivery business? Something like FreshDirect, but with better service? [1] https://www.trycaviar.com [2] htt…

> I haven't heard any complaints from their delivery staff, though this may be on account of their size.

This is probably the key part. Does Caviar pay their drivers more than other sites? The cynic in me suggests that no, they don’t. Maybe, maybe, they get better tips as a result of delivering premium food.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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It’s great that gig workers were included in the CARE bill. Hopefully this starts a trend of more bills including protections for gig workers. I fully support these workers striking for basic rights.

> It’s great that gig workers were included in the CARE bill. This was specifically advocated for by Senator Sanders. He threatened to tighten the restrictions even further on the $500 billion bailout of corporations if this condition was not met. https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/124303461436252569...

Is there a source for this that isn't random twitter accounts?

Looking at the Senate record[0] I can't see anything about the Senator and there doesn't seem to be any news coverage of his involvement in the bill other than the fact that he missed procedural votes for the initial draft.

[0] https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/354...

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Sending these people into work, in the middle of a pandemic, without appropriate protective gear, health benefits, or paid time off is criminal and I’m glad they’re organizing to protect themselves. Hopefully other frontline employees in grocery and delivery services will follow suit.

The CDC recommendation to not wear a face mask in public is insane!

This is a pulmonary infectious disease. Meaning that the virus is airborne.

If you are infected, then every breath you exhale, every laugh or word you speak, every sneeze or cough you make, can transmit the virus into the air, inside the room that you are in. And it may take 3 hours before the virus particles settle on the ground.

And you don’t know who is infected.

The only way to be safe, and conduct some sort of normal transactions in public, is if everyone wears a mask while in public, and maintain some distance between each other. That way, the mask keeps the virus relatively contained to yourself, while providing some minimal barrier of protection from others.

The reason why the CDC does not recommend this, is because of the mask shortage. They want to keep enough available to the health care workers. Which I understand, but if the public also uses a mask, then it would also minimize or slow down the infection rate.

If you are working in public, or even if you are doing grocery shopping for yourself, then I highly advise to protect yourself, to take this issue seriously, and wear a mask.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to Stanford last weekend with a slight fever and sore throat and was tested and had results in about 16 hours. You could go right now and get tested there if you have symptoms. It’s an anecdote, sure, but the idea that people can’t get tested isn’t completely true.

I know multiple people personally who called in experiencing COVID symptoms and were told to not even come to the hospital. If you aren't above a certain age or don't have preexisting conditions, they're likely not going to test you.

I had symptoms, and had even been traveling in Europe, but since I'm not elderly and haven't recently been to China, no test for you. Stay home and get bed rest. OK, I guess we're still pretending you only get it from China? This is a major health care provider in the Bay Area. Still coughing after 3 weeks...

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Sending these people into work, in the middle of a pandemic, without appropriate protective gear, health benefits, or paid time off is criminal and I’m glad they’re organizing to protect themselves. Hopefully other frontline employees in grocery and delivery services will follow suit.

The CDC recommendation to not wear a face mask in public is insane! This is a pulmonary infectious disease. Meaning that the virus is airborne. If you are infected, then every breath you exhale, every laugh or word you speak, every sneeze or cough you make, can transmit the virus into the air, inside the room that you are in. And it may take 3 hours before the virus particles settle on the ground. And you don’t know…

If the public used cotton masks, it would help and wouldn't take masks away from health care workers. If this were more normalized, the rate of spread could be lowered.
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