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Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Great. Lets ban gig work and make sure that instead of a crappy income they have no income!

I hope you realize this is the same argument used in support of child labor.

You mean an argument based on free will and free agency?

Yes it’s exactly the same argument. Except we are talking about adults.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. Lets ban gig work and make sure that instead of a crappy income they have no income!

I hope you realize this is the same argument used in support of child labor.

And in countries where children need income to eat, we've seen that banning child labor pushes children into the sex trade, because they don't stop needing to eat when you make it illegal for them to work. Hardly a good example of why the argument is wrong.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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From the Instacart post linked in the article: >"As we previously shared, we’re offering up to 14 days of pay for any hourly employee or full-service shopper who is diagnosed with COVID-19 or placed in individual mandatory isolation or quarantine, as directed by a local, state, or public health authority."[1] So there is no benefits for workers who develop symptoms and self isolate? This statement reads like you have…

It’s a joke. I know people who have been to the ER with severe symptoms who were turned away without testing (mostly because they’re young and “expected” to recover). Every company that’s using testing as a precondition for benefits, when testing has been widely reported to be unavailable, is despicable.

Indeed this story is real eye opener:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52019509

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. Lets ban gig work and make sure that instead of a crappy income they have no income!

It always amazes me how the discussion can go so quickly go from "The mighty market solves all problems!" to, "The market is an incredibly fragile flower, and the slightest worker protections will result in mass unemployment and starvation!" Before Instacart, people went to the grocery store just fine. If Instacart has to pay workers a living wage, some people at the margins might return to shopping themselves, but I…

> It always amazes me how the discussion can go so quickly go from "The mighty market solves all problems!" to, "The market is an incredibly fragile flower, and the slightest worker protections will result in mass unemployment and starvation!"

The market will continue to function just fine. It is just that the outcome of manipulating it is usually not what the manipulators intended.

Suppose I thought that Instacart workers were all lovely people who deserved to be millionaires. So, I'll make a law requiring that every Instacart worker be paid one million dollars a year. Do you think this will create my intended outcome? Probably not. The market will continue to function and determine that Instacart is no longer a service that people are willing to pay for, as the cost has become too high.

If there is a collective need to provide paid sick time, health insurance or other benefits, then let's collectively provide it for everyone via taxes. The cost will be cheaper the more we spread it out instead of concentrating it all on this company or that company.

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Unfortunately for these workers, with the unprecedented spike in unemployment [1] I suspect Instacart will be able to find a lot of desperate people willing to cross the picket line. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ICSA

amazon is also looking for workers

Re: Instacart’s gig workers are planning a nationwide strike

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Sending these people into work, in the middle of a pandemic, without appropriate protective gear, health benefits, or paid time off is criminal and I’m glad they’re organizing to protect themselves. Hopefully other frontline employees in grocery and delivery services will follow suit.

Many grocery stores already have strong unions. Nobody is "sending in" gig workers. Isnt the whole point of gig work that the worker can choose whether to pick up a gig and go in or not?

> Isnt the whole point of gig work that the worker can choose whether to pick up a gig and go in or not?

“Lol”- these gig workers don’t have the same choices your typical google or Facebook or even Fortune 500 IT guy have.

In fact I would suspect many have been pushed to the margins of society and are only “choosing” gig work because the only other option is that their families face hunger, homelessness, or worse.

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