Report on the characteristics of Covid-19 positive deceased patients in Italy [pdf]

Post by becausecombi » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 2:32 PM UTC

becausecombi wrote: post #67

pseudolus wrote: post #3

Some excerpts (courtesy of Google translate): The mean age of deceased and positive COVID-19 patients is 79.5 years (median 80.5, range 31-103, RangeInterQuartile - IQR 74.3-85.9). There are 601 women (30.0%). The figure 1 shows that the median age of patients COVID-19 positive deaths is more than 15 years higher than that of patients who contracted the infection (median age: patients who died 80.5 years - patients w…

huh, no one else has mentioned this, am I interpreting this wrong? If 30% of deceased positives are female, then 70% are male? That's quite a big difference!

Post by bart_spoon » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #53

k__ wrote: post #31

How many were so sick that they would have died anyway? I read that they were testing dead people and the theory was, their count was so high because they would add people to it that would have died anyway but just happen to be infected right before their death. Edit: I think this is an interesting question. Why do Italy, France and Spain have such high death ratios? Are they measuring more than needed or are the oth…

Right, but you need to establish the cause of death and it's kind of important. Like for example my father was fighting cancer for 8 years before he died, but when he passed away the hospital wrote that he died of "cardiac arrest", since his heart just couldn't go anymore. So in some statistic somewhere he will exist as a person who died of heart problems, not someone who died because of cancer. That's not right eith…

Post by DanBC » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

zzzcpan wrote: post #66

DanBC wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are they overwhelmingly treating patients with antibiotics in cases of viral pneumonia and not antivirals (Remdesivir)/ chloroquine? Because a bunch of these patients are people with suspected, not confirmed, covid-19 and so they're treating pneumonia which they think is probably bacterial but possibly viral. Also, they were thinking that covid-19 in already vulnerable people was damaging the lungs and making b…

> Infected people cough onto a surface, and later someone touches that surface and then their face. And then what? How does the virus get from their face into the lungs in enough quantity to infect them?

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:14 PM UTC

xenonite wrote: post #22

gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #16

This is encouraging for healthy youngsters BUT age and health are also the criteria for receiving treatment in Italy at the moment. As the epidemic grows the categories of people that get ventilation decrease and the deaths will get younger and healthier.

Even if a youngster as a higher change of survival, there are serious effects reported. Fibrosis (damage of the lung tissue) lasts for much longer (over 4 weeks) than it is known in any typical flu. And what happens after 4 weeks is still totally unclear. As we don't know yet of the long term effects, please don't take that lightly!

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 6:08 AM UTC

huffmsa wrote: post #80

derision wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is highly anecdotal, but my family is from a small town in italy, population of ~1500, and the men are way less healthy from a lifestyle perspective - lots of drinking, smoking, hard manual labor without lung protection, etc etc, while the women mostly stay home handling home duties and socializing

I think prior lung damage is going to shake out as the number one prior factor in the likelihood of severe infection and probability of death.