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I read that they were testing dead people and the theory was, their count was so high because they would add people to it that would have died anyway but just happen to be infected right before their death.
Edit: I think this is an interesting question. Why do Italy, France and Spain have such high death ratios? Are they measuring more than needed or are the others measuring not enough?
Does anyone has a translated version of of this?
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> Why are they overwhelmingly treating patients with antibiotics in cases of viral pneumonia and not antivirals (Remdesivir)/ chloroquine? My guess is that they try to avoid an additional bacterial super infection with antibiotics. Also these antivirals can be dangerous to (very) old people. I think because of liver malfunctions. But take all I say with a grain of salt.. this is all stuff in the back off my head that…
I wonder if intubating these patients is actually killing them. I have ZERO evidence but is there an off chance they’re actually treating them incorrectly? There’s the cytokine storm problem although I just wonder, for some weird and maybe even wrong reason, that the standard of care, the protocol for this particular viral infection is not intubation for most? If you look at a video of the ICU or ward in Lombardy, ev…
Some interesting data here. - Mean age of 79.5 sheds light on Italy’s extremely high fatality rates; in essence, it’s the (very) elderly that are dying due to complications from viral pneumonia. Which begs the next question... Why are they overwhelmingly treating patients with antibiotics in cases of viral pneumonia and not antivirals (Remdesivir)/ chloroquine? Sure, these are “experimental” therapies but decent data…
Because a bunch of these patients are people with suspected, not confirmed, covid-19 and so they're treating pneumonia which they think is probably bacterial but possibly viral.
Also, they were thinking that covid-19 in already vulnerable people was damaging the lungs and making bacterial pneumonia much more likely, so they were treating preventatively.
> yet alone having younger asymptomatic carriers cough on them.
Droplets in the air are one route of transmission, but there are others. It's likely that most people are not infected via this route, but via fomites. Infected people cough onto a surface, and later someone touches that surface and then their face.
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Probably tens of thousands of undiagnosed, asymptomatic. Aka super carriers. The virus is smart and has evolved from an evolutionary standpoint. Infect younger and asymptomatic patients with the goal of spreading and infecting as many as possible. Eventually, the more infected, the more that will die. The young are just carrier pigeons and don’t even know it.
> The virus is smart and has evolved from an evolutionary standpoint. Infect younger and asymptomatic patients with the goal of spreading and infecting as many as possible. I think you are giving a bit too much agency to the virus. It has evolved in such a way that optimises for further spreading for sure, but I do not think it has a sneaky strategy to use young people as attack vectors. What's more likely is that it…
Some excerpts (courtesy of Google translate): The mean age of deceased and positive COVID-19 patients is 79.5 years (median 80.5, range 31-103, RangeInterQuartile - IQR 74.3-85.9). There are 601 women (30.0%). The figure 1 shows that the median age of patients COVID-19 positive deaths is more than 15 years higher than that of patients who contracted the infection (median age: patients who died 80.5 years - patients w…
Doesn't the median age of 60 years for positively diagnosed patients suggest a huge number of non-detected cases?
Probably tens of thousands of undiagnosed, asymptomatic. Aka super carriers. The virus is smart and has evolved from an evolutionary standpoint. Infect younger and asymptomatic patients with the goal of spreading and infecting as many as possible. Eventually, the more infected, the more that will die. The young are just carrier pigeons and don’t even know it.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why are they overwhelmingly treating patients with antibiotics in cases of viral pneumonia and not antivirals (Remdesivir)/ chloroquine? My guess is that they try to avoid an additional bacterial super infection with antibiotics. Also these antivirals can be dangerous to (very) old people. I think because of liver malfunctions. But take all I say with a grain of salt.. this is all stuff in the back off my head that…
I wonder if intubating these patients is actually killing them. I have ZERO evidence but is there an off chance they’re actually treating them incorrectly? There’s the cytokine storm problem although I just wonder, for some weird and maybe even wrong reason, that the standard of care, the protocol for this particular viral infection is not intubation for most? If you look at a video of the ICU or ward in Lombardy, ev…
Some interesting data here. - Mean age of 79.5 sheds light on Italy’s extremely high fatality rates; in essence, it’s the (very) elderly that are dying due to complications from viral pneumonia. Which begs the next question... Why are they overwhelmingly treating patients with antibiotics in cases of viral pneumonia and not antivirals (Remdesivir)/ chloroquine? Sure, these are “experimental” therapies but decent data…
> Why are they overwhelmingly treating patients with antibiotics in cases of viral pneumonia and not antivirals (Remdesivir)/ chloroquine? My guess is that they try to avoid an additional bacterial super infection with antibiotics. Also these antivirals can be dangerous to (very) old people. I think because of liver malfunctions. But take all I say with a grain of salt.. this is all stuff in the back off my head that…
I found page 3 most remarkable: 48% of those who die of covid-19 in Italy also suffer from three or more other diseases (or did recently), and 99.2% suffer from one or more.