Report on the characteristics of Covid-19 positive deceased patients in Italy [pdf]

Post by mkl » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:00 PM UTC

molodec wrote: post #28

dakrisht wrote: post #12

Some interesting data here. - Mean age of 79.5 sheds light on Italy’s extremely high fatality rates; in essence, it’s the (very) elderly that are dying due to complications from viral pneumonia. Which begs the next question... Why are they overwhelmingly treating patients with antibiotics in cases of viral pneumonia and not antivirals (Remdesivir)/ chloroquine? Sure, these are “experimental” therapies but decent data…

We all want to live long, and people now often live till 80+, but when a person 80+ years old dies does it make sense to search for a cause of the death? My grandmother died last year from pneumonia. She was 89, which is way above the average life expectancy. Any small infection can kill a person at this age. Is there a statistics that shows the mortality rate in Italy before the pandemic.

Post by Arnt » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:04 PM UTC

circlefavshape wrote: post #40

Arnt wrote: post #11

I found page 3 most remarkable: 48% of those who die of covid-19 in Italy also suffer from three or more other diseases (or did recently), and 99.2% suffer from one or more.

What counts as a co-morbidity? Obesity seems fairly ... well, trivial. I have high (total) cholesterol. Does that count? Constipation? Itchy spot on the back of my knee?

Post by andruby » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

circlefavshape wrote: post #40

Arnt wrote: post #11

I found page 3 most remarkable: 48% of those who die of covid-19 in Italy also suffer from three or more other diseases (or did recently), and 99.2% suffer from one or more.

What counts as a co-morbidity? Obesity seems fairly ... well, trivial. I have high (total) cholesterol. Does that count? Constipation? Itchy spot on the back of my knee?

  diseases N %
  Ischemic heart disease 117 33.0
  Atrial fibrillation 87 24.5
  Stroke 34 9.6
  Hypertension 270 76.1
  Diabetes mellitus 126 35.5
  Dementia 24 6.8 COPD 47 13.2
  Active cancer in the past 5 years 72 20.3
  Chronic liver disease 11 3.1
  Chronic renal failure 64 18.0

Post by becausecombi » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:09 PM UTC

pseudolus wrote: post #3

Some excerpts (courtesy of Google translate): The mean age of deceased and positive COVID-19 patients is 79.5 years (median 80.5, range 31-103, RangeInterQuartile - IQR 74.3-85.9). There are 601 women (30.0%). The figure 1 shows that the median age of patients COVID-19 positive deaths is more than 15 years higher than that of patients who contracted the infection (median age: patients who died 80.5 years - patients w…

Post by virgilp » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:11 PM UTC

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #46

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #42

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Germany currently looks to be an interesting case. As of CNN this morning, they have 13,957 cases confirmed, and 31 deaths. The deaths may of course crank up to a "normal" level, but I wonder if it's possible that they are testing many more people and getting a more accurate view. (of course, this comment will probably age poorly)

Oh. This article says it way better than I could: https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e... Sorry about the paywall. If you search for it via google and click it from there that's how I found it (and why I didn't realize it was paywall) Basic summary: Too Early to tell. But Germany is doing 160,000 tests/week, which is more than lots of countries. They may be getting a more complete picture of w…