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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ncallaway »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #156
ncallaway wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The UK's answer to the problem is starting to look a lot more sensible than total economic chaos being caused by all other methods. The UK's answer to the problem may result in manyfold more dead than this approach. We won't be able to know until after the fact. In that state of unknown, I prefer the approach that values lives over dollars.

Lives and dollars are not totally different things. How many lives will be ruined by total financial destruction? How many will commit suicide in the months and years after due to financial issues?

> How many will commit suicide in the months and years after due to financial issues?

Hopefully 0 if we provide a robust social safety net for people who's livelihoods are harmed.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ryanobjc »

ncallaway wrote: post #166
dkdk8283 wrote: post #131

I’m probably in the minority but I lean towards the UK model. My suspicion is that the mortality rate is lower due to inadequate testing. Call me a cynic but after 9/11 I’m weary of temporary measures that become permanent in one way or another.

I'm going to go ahead and call you a cynic here. Do you really think there's any way that the State of Washington will be permanently banning events over 50 people? Do you really think there's any way that the State of Washington will be permanently preventing the operation of bars, dine-in restaurants, and entertainment facilities? I'm generally pretty skeptical of creeping government powers myself, but this just...…

Maybe they’re worried that sick pay for all workers will become permanent?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by nullc »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #156
ncallaway wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The UK's answer to the problem is starting to look a lot more sensible than total economic chaos being caused by all other methods. The UK's answer to the problem may result in manyfold more dead than this approach. We won't be able to know until after the fact. In that state of unknown, I prefer the approach that values lives over dollars.

Lives and dollars are not totally different things. How many lives will be ruined by total financial destruction? How many will commit suicide in the months and years after due to financial issues?

Even if we accept your premise, how many dollars in economic activity will be destroyed by the deaths of enormous numbers of working age people because the hospitals were overloaded and they couldn't get the critical care they needed?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by listenallyall »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #163
listenallyall wrote: post #133

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Help me understand this logic... it's not OK for customers to be a few feet away from other people in the dining area of a restaurant, but it's OK for low-paid (and often undocumented) line cooks and chefs, etc, to be right next to each other, interacting, sweating and toiling away in a hot kitchen? These people are heroes if they choose to show up for work, especially since takeout orders hardly tip.

It’s more OK, because the pool of customers is constantly rotating while the pool of line cooks is mostly static. Incidental contact from picking up food is much less infectious than breathing the same air for an hour.

What? All the cooks are breathing the same air for an entire shift, in a smaller, hotter, enclosed area.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by erikerikson »

klipt wrote: post #147
dpcan wrote: post #119

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It transmits in several ways, including droplets: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmissi... And WHO says it lives on surfaces for a couple hours up to several days. https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses So, personally, I'm not eating anything if someone coughs on it or around it. I'm not even buying fresh fruit and veggies at the store right now. I can't find any information…

Soap kills the virus, so raw fruit and vegetables are probably fine if you wash them with soap first. Heat also kills the virus so cooked vegetables should be fine (and cooked fruit too if you're into that I guess).

Mmm... Pie!

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by DoreenMichele »

ebg13 wrote: post #112
DoreenMichele wrote: post #15

“Restaurants will be allowed to provide take-out and delivery services but no in-person dining will be permitted. I live an SRO. I don't have a kitchen. I currently don't have a fridge. I have a small grill and some shelving to store stuff. I eat a lot of takeout. I'm glad to see I can still get takeout. But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. I was homeless for a few years. The quarantine/containment measu…

> I live an SRO. I don't have a kitchen. I currently don't have a fridge. I have a small grill and some shelving to store stuff. I hesitate to ask about the size of the space you have available, but in Paris it's pretty common to find one room apartments that are only 9 square meters. Typically you put a one or two top induction or electric stove (portable ones are actually very cheap and work well) above a minifridg…

I hesitate to ask about the size of the space you have available

Thank you for both your concern and for being respectful. I don't wish to get into the details of my living space in this discussion.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by gjs278 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #96
xref wrote: post #93

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Just wait in the lobby so when they drop it on the porch you can go grab it?

I live in a very walkable small town. I typically go just pick up whatever I've ordered. Most things are no more than a ten minute walk for me. Edit: FYI, cuz reasons, there's no lobby.

ok well your problem with deliveries is easily solvable if you’d just wait in the lobby

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by topkai22 »

ryanobjc wrote: post #172
topkai22 wrote: post #144

When talking about economic damage it is also worth thinking about what we are trying to avoid in the US- if SARS-Cov2 gets to 60% of the population, then at a 2% case fatality rate we are looking at 4 million excess deaths. Most importantly, that is a humanitarian tragedy that we must avoid. However, having numbers also let’s us put an economic value out there for what we are trying to save. A 1% reduction in the ca…

Actually then CFR would probably be like 5% if medical services would be overcome. So more like 11m excess deaths.

I picked a lower number to get less quibbles from any doubters. But yeah, bringing CFR from 5% to 2% at 60% infection you can justify actions that otherwise seem nuts.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by dboreham »

Fiveplus wrote: post #171
boznz wrote: post #88

My Daughter was working as a temp between jobs and the work has now been stopped, she had two second interviews planned in Sydney this week now both positions have been retracted and nobody hiring or interviewing, she has about 7 weeks of cash savings and 4 months lease on a rental. Oh and no unemployment benefit or subsidies as she is New Zealander working in Australia. Young People at the lowest risk from this viru…

What is UK's answer to this problem?

Not imposing as much social distancing.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ncallaway »

intopieces wrote: post #162
CydeWeys wrote: post #129

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You're being selfish. Everything isn't just about you.

reedx8's post is about reedx8's level of worry and personal risk assessment, which is 100% about reedx8.

reedx8's personal risk assessment is only 100% about reedx8 if they have no loved ones, and don't care for any lives other than their own.
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