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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by reedx8 »

Taek wrote: post #77
reedx8 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relevant facts are, one, only much older people have to worry about it, and two, the cure already exists in washing yourself. This common flu is here to stay, the absolute risk to vast majority of people is extremely insignificant.

Covid19 is closer to SARS than the flu, and is known to cause permanent lung, kidney, and testicle damage, even in young and healthy patients. Even among young patients, the ICU rate is as high as 10%. A low mortality rate for young people assumes access to an ICU. All of New York State only has about 600 unoccupied ICU beds. If the number of infections in New York breaches 6,000, the fatality rate among young people…

Those are some important facts, thanks for sharing. I’d like to see the probability of healthy people getting permanent damage however. That would change my mind. Until then the extremely low fatality and infection rate for average people, as well as the incubation period being so long that it’s unrealistic to contain it, is enough for me not to worry about it.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ebg13 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #15

“Restaurants will be allowed to provide take-out and delivery services but no in-person dining will be permitted. I live an SRO. I don't have a kitchen. I currently don't have a fridge. I have a small grill and some shelving to store stuff. I eat a lot of takeout. I'm glad to see I can still get takeout. But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. I was homeless for a few years. The quarantine/containment measu…

> I live an SRO. I don't have a kitchen. I currently don't have a fridge. I have a small grill and some shelving to store stuff.

I hesitate to ask about the size of the space you have available, but in Paris it's pretty common to find one room apartments that are only 9 square meters. Typically you put a one or two top induction or electric stove (portable ones are actually very cheap and work well) above a minifridge and a hutch for dishes/spices with a sink about the size of your hands.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by ncallaway »

boznz wrote: post #88

My Daughter was working as a temp between jobs and the work has now been stopped, she had two second interviews planned in Sydney this week now both positions have been retracted and nobody hiring or interviewing, she has about 7 weeks of cash savings and 4 months lease on a rental. Oh and no unemployment benefit or subsidies as she is New Zealander working in Australia. Young People at the lowest risk from this viru…

> The UK's answer to the problem is starting to look a lot more sensible than total economic chaos being caused by all other methods.

The UK's answer to the problem may result in manyfold more dead than this approach. We won't be able to know until after the fact.

In that state of unknown, I prefer the approach that values lives over dollars.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by [deleted] »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #84
awolf wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. This is the main benefit I see of having our government take these measures: making people like you realize THIS IS SERIOUS. It has "looked pretty scary" for almost two months. And no one has taken it seriously. And now we're here.

I practice extreme germ control daily. So it has nothing whatsoever to do with me not taking it seriously. I just think I am unlikely to get coronavirus because I'm a fucking hermit who works from home and doesn't touch anything and practices germ control so my genetic disorder won't kill me. Maybe read all my comments before making insulting assumptions about me. I've already talked about having CF in this thread.

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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by philwelch »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #72

Similar measures were just mandated in IL. Basically, take out and delivery are your only real options. We are kinda stocked up, but we will both keep ordering in just to keep local businesses going. Our family unit is oddly priviledged during this outbreak. Tbh, I am slowly starting to get worried as recent FED move again focuses on banks and not on small business relief.

The FED’s job is monetary policy. It isn’t to bail out businesses.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by dang »

It's probably best if we aggregate these links in one place rather than having a separate thread for each new location. (Similarly to what we did at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22550840)

NYC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589463

California ("calls for", not enforced): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587062

Others?

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by amiga_500 »

eyegor wrote: post #42

This is going to be an economic catastrophe unless there's somehow a nationwide bailout to literally all brick and mortar businesses. I know of several local bar/restaurants that are considering shutting down for good, and a colleague near Melbourne told me of 4 that already have (I'm eastern US). Even if this all blows over in 3 months, we'll have a huge surge in homelessness and folks needing social assistance acro…

Suspend rent payments

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by marcosdumay »

tayo42 wrote: post #82

How long does this go on for? Realistically we can't just live with the world shut down (can we?) with a vaccine far off, this can't be the new normal?

This goes on until enough people gets the disease to that natural contamination is slow enough not to overwhelm the health care infrastructure.

I don't think anybody can give you any actual number. But it's not hard to test a sample of people and determine the virus rate of spread, so we will know it when it happens.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by dpcan »

graeme wrote: post #99

Anyone found any good info on the risks of food itself. Eg kitchen staff is infected, coughs into meal 1. Do you get if it’s cold food, like a salad or sushi? 2. If yes, do you get it if it’s warm food, like indian food? 3. If yes, do you get if you reheat/microwave the food? If so, what is required/ Have not seen a lot of discussion about this. Did see that in china restaurants would certify the body temperatures of…

It transmits in several ways, including droplets:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmissi...

And WHO says it lives on surfaces for a couple hours up to several days.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

So, personally, I'm not eating anything if someone coughs on it or around it. I'm not even buying fresh fruit and veggies at the store right now.

I can't find any information about heating the virus to kill it.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Post by npo9 »

jeffy wrote: post #47

This is overall a good move if we want a chance to greatly slow the spread. However it needs to be coordinated with the rest of the country if we want to minimize the total downtime. Shutting down Washington now and having to wait weeks for Idaho to follow (where there are no reported cases) is just going to force Washington to extend theirs as long as it takes for the last state to shut down.

Small nit: Boise has one recorded case. It was recorded Friday.
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