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Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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It scares me how many Americans welcome authoritarianism the moment that something scary happens. I remember when, following the tragedy of 9/11, the PATRIOT act was passed. This is another shameful moment in American history.

You are seriously comparing long-lasting intrusive federal surveillance with... saying people can only get take-out for a while?

The PATRIOT act was special emergency powers in response to an “unprecedented” attack on our nation requiring periodic renewal.

Here we are two decades later, with it renewed.

Per Wiki:

> Many of the act's provisions were to sunset beginning December 31, 2005, approximately four years after its passage. In the months preceding the sunset date, supporters of the act pushed to make its sun-setting provisions permanent, while critics sought to revise various sections to enhance civil liberty protections. In July 2005, the U.S. Senate passed a reauthorization bill with substantial changes to several of the act's sections, while the House reauthorization bill kept most of the act's original language. The two bills were then reconciled in a conference committee criticized by Senators from both the Republican and Democratic parties for ignoring civil liberty concerns.

> [...]

> Following a lack of Congressional approval, parts of the Patriot Act expired on June 1, 2015. With passing the USA Freedom Act on June 2, 2015, the expired parts were restored and renewed through 2019.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#72
Similar measures were just mandated in IL. Basically, take out and delivery are your only real options. We are kinda stocked up, but we will both keep ordering in just to keep local businesses going. Our family unit is oddly priviledged during this outbreak.

Tbh, I am slowly starting to get worried as recent FED move again focuses on banks and not on small business relief.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also live in the Raleigh area, and it has just been baffling how care-free everyone is...

The relevant facts are, one, only much older people have to worry about it, and two, the cure already exists in washing yourself. This common flu is here to stay, the absolute risk to vast majority of people is extremely insignificant.

People keep saying this, but if healthcare systems get overwhelmed then everyone has to worry about this "flu". Adding to that, even the strictest measures will only have visible effects in one or two weeks. We literally have no idea what the situation on the ground will look like by then, even in places like Raleigh. That's why it's entirely appropriate to act now and minimize risk.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#74

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Grocery stores offer a lot of ready to eat food options. Though I guess salad bars are probably a bad idea at this point.

I'm sure you mean well, but I'm poor and medically handicapped, not stupid. I have a form of cystic fibrosis, as does my oldest son. My younger son is a carrier. People with CF typically require up to a quarter of a million dollars in medical treatment annually. With two people in the family who have it, that's a half million dollars annually. I've supported all three of us on well under $20k annually for like more t…

Perhaps this pandemic will help us to realize just how important understanding one another better is.

:(

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

#75
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Canlis (fine dining place, think Michelin) made a really interesting switch in order to keep the lights on. They shut down their restaurant and are starting a drive-thru burger stand, a bagel stand, and a meal delivery service, rather than lay off all their workers. I'm going to try their burgers tomorrow.

I'd suggest they put a couple of picnic tables out in the parking lot for take-out. Curious about other commercial operations that could satisfy the rule "... all gatherings under 50 participants are prohibited unless previously announced criteria for public health and social distancing are met"? Take-out biergarten? Silent disco?

Rules like this dont need to be enforced (or even enforceable) because by and large the community is onboard. Ie if Canlis, a Seattle institution ,was seen as looking for loopholes and risking lives it would be the end of their entire business.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also live in the Raleigh area, and it has just been baffling how care-free everyone is...

The relevant facts are, one, only much older people have to worry about it, and two, the cure already exists in washing yourself. This common flu is here to stay, the absolute risk to vast majority of people is extremely insignificant.

I don’t know what makes people like you go online and post this type of incorrect and harmful advice in such a smug fashion. All I can say is you need to educate yourself.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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post #59
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also live in the Raleigh area, and it has just been baffling how care-free everyone is...

The relevant facts are, one, only much older people have to worry about it, and two, the cure already exists in washing yourself. This common flu is here to stay, the absolute risk to vast majority of people is extremely insignificant.

Covid19 is closer to SARS than the flu, and is known to cause permanent lung, kidney, and testicle damage, even in young and healthy patients.

Even among young patients, the ICU rate is as high as 10%. A low mortality rate for young people assumes access to an ICU.

All of New York State only has about 600 unoccupied ICU beds. If the number of infections in New York breaches 6,000, the fatality rate among young people is likely to be 10-20x that of the flu.

Young people need to worry about Covid19/SARS2

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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IMO the only question now is how long it takes the rest of the country to follow suite. Here in NC our governor announced the closing of all public schools on Friday, but I've heard from several friends that in my city (Raleigh) the downtown bars and restaurants were pretty much at normal capacity this weekend. I don't think the general public is going to truly take this seriously until they're told that they have to…

Illinois announced restaurants and bars closed except for pickup/delivery effective after close of business on Monday.

Ohio as well.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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“Restaurants will be allowed to provide take-out and delivery services but no in-person dining will be permitted. I live an SRO. I don't have a kitchen. I currently don't have a fridge. I have a small grill and some shelving to store stuff. I eat a lot of takeout. I'm glad to see I can still get takeout. But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary. I was homeless for a few years. The quarantine/containment measu…

> But, wow. This is beginning to look pretty scary.

This is the main benefit I see of having our government take these measures: making people like you realize THIS IS SERIOUS. It has "looked pretty scary" for almost two months. And no one has taken it seriously. And now we're here.

Re: Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grocery stores offer a lot of ready to eat food options. Though I guess salad bars are probably a bad idea at this point.

I'm sure you mean well, but I'm poor and medically handicapped, not stupid. I have a form of cystic fibrosis, as does my oldest son. My younger son is a carrier. People with CF typically require up to a quarter of a million dollars in medical treatment annually. With two people in the family who have it, that's a half million dollars annually. I've supported all three of us on well under $20k annually for like more t…

I’m not happy about this either, though my family doesn’t have any dietary restrictions. I’m just recounting an option that is still available, I’m not implying stupidity for anyone involved.
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