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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Rice and a good rice cooker. Plenty of big 4.54kg packs of California-grown Nishiki rice on the shelf in Sainsbury's last time I checked. I like pasta too, but don't eat as much as I used to. Rice is so versatile!

> Rice and a good rice cooker. I like rice, but am concerned by the number of people who don't wash it (arsenic) [1]. Then you have the issue of reheating/leaving to cool [2]. With the amount of idiocy going around it seems like a massive risk. Pasta is very difficult to mess up, worst case you're just going to get some crunchy or over-boiled pasta. [1] https://www.recapo.com/the-doctors/the-doctors-diet/the-doct...…

[1] looks like a spam blog.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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The other thing is the incubation period is around 5 days. So really the numbers are at least 5 days behind.

And of course in the US there are not as many testing kits as in other countries, so the numbers are basically 3 months behind.

The US is probably a much larger vector than we realize. The testing rate is the lowest in the world and Americans travel like mad. Who knows how many undiagnosed Americans have been globe trotting over the last couple weeks?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Please note that Lombardy has a very very good health service. The OECD put a score on this [1]: 9.9/10. This is in the top 5% across all regions. Other european regions seem to have lower average scores and their governments are not taking serious actions. [2] How the US is reacting from my perspective (italian confined near Rome) seems borderline madness. Something about this situation confuses me a lot. [1] https:…

Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

They do, but only when they want so, like they want endless exponential growth of economy but not energy consumption.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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That account has TEN tweets spanning 2013 - 2020. Then this thread. Don’t believe everything you read even if it sounds like a believable novel

This is an idiotic comment. The thread is a literal translation of this article written by the MD telling the story: https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/con-le-nos... this is an online profile for the doctor: https://www.dottori.it/daniele-macchini-516895 The post was originally shared on Facebook.

Why is it idiotic?

It could absolutely be true -- but there are definitely interests out there who may wish to spread panic.

I could just as easily create a similar low-volume Twitter account with the opposite portrayal -- doesn't mean people should believe me.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Most severe cases require trained medical staff. Since ~20% of infections requires hospitalization, no healthcare system is prepared for an exponential rise in SARS-CoV-2 infections. Most fatalities are from pneumonia. Lots of details are available all over. You may want to read up.

My point is that medical staff are trained to respond to many things. Training newbies to respond to one thing would probably be easy and fast. Especially if most people just need fluids, oxygen, and aspirin. Burning out doctors to maximize survival rates up front is... bad

It isn’t that easy to train someone to handle medical emergencies. They don’t typically fall into the same “path”.

As well there’s a technical skill component that takes a while to master due to variations in person-to-person anatomy. Took me about 8-10 real live intubations in life or death emergency situations (not training where I had all the time in the world) to feel comfortable enough to be unsupervised.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Does that mean they're just triaging them and letting them die?

It hurts me to say this, but that's what happened in Wuhan for the first few weeks.

Could you just clarify how you got this information? Did you witness it directly?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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The toilet roll thing seems to be everywhere (Germany is full of "why toilet paper!" outrage as well), but do people really panic buy so much? Toilet paper is an item you buy once every few weeks or months, depending on household size, it's very high volume per unit of money so shops stock just enough to satisfy an even random distribution of individual buying times. Now if all of a sudden, triggered by news, a consi…

Seeing the same thing happen across different cultures over very different kinds of crises I came to the conclusion that this has to be a Freudian slip of the fact that people subconsciously care more about being able to keep their rear end tidy than eating.

It has been explained a few times that its more related to the fact that stores stock only just enough toilet paper to keep up with demand which is usually almost perfectly regular. Even if everyone just grabs one more bag than they normally do, its enough to totally wipe out the stores.

Where as with other things, you could grab a months supply of cans and pasta and there will still be so much left, as well as the fact that not everyone is grabbing the same kinds of foods so the hit is spread over pasta, rice, flour and a huge range of canned food.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…

Italy also has the second-oldest population in the world, after Japan. And a below average number of hospital beds available per capita.

I'm not sure what country you're from. If you're from the States (where I see a lot of denialism):

Italy has 3.18 beds per 1,000 people. The United States has 2.77 beds per 1,000 people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hosp...

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Politicians have no understanding of exponential growth. They look at low numbers and think "we have a lot of time" then are surprised later when they in fact don't.

They do, but only when they want so, like they want endless exponential growth of economy but not energy consumption.

Most people don't think of 2% annual growth as exponential.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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> He's behaving entirely consistently with how he always has: deny everything, project perfection. > There's no signal here of a secret weapon, it's a complete shit show. Can't really disagree, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with the way people in the US are talking about the response now. Was the US MSM not spending all of January and February telling us "calm down, you know the common flu kills WAY more peo…

The vast majority of people don't have an intuitive understanding of exponential growth. People not trained well in math and science don't even have/know the tools to help them understand it analytically. We need (much) better math education for people studying all majors .

One of our older neighbors are inviting everyone on the nextdoor app to go to their house for movie night to prove that this is just a flu. The entire thread is people making fun of covid19 and how they are angry their retirement accounts are getting hit.

I wish I was making this up.

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