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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Tocilizumab drug in Naples hospital seems promising: «The health of the patient suffering from covid 19, who arrived in critical condition, intubated and treated with the new drug therapy is recovering. Maybe we extubate him because his conditions have improved a lot ». They also say they got confirmation from Chinese colleagues who tested that earlier on 21 cases. The drug is now undergoing trial at Roche. https://w…

If that turns out to be true, it's remarkable how many pathologies are related to our immune systems going haywire.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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I'm curious to how does these measures affect individuals ability to get help and solve their problems they may have given the nation wide shutdown. I understand that WHO questioning of China's decision to lockdown of many of it's regions is now seen as helpful in buying the world time to deal with covid19 spread (at the cost of individual freedom and access to help in those lockdown regions). But, don't lockdown als…

Italian here: supermarkets and pharmacies will stay open. We can go to work or leave the house for emergencies.

Most of us are working from home, but I won’t call it a “lock down”

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Tocilizumab drug in Naples hospital seems promising: «The health of the patient suffering from covid 19, who arrived in critical condition, intubated and treated with the new drug therapy is recovering. Maybe we extubate him because his conditions have improved a lot ». They also say they got confirmation from Chinese colleagues who tested that earlier on 21 cases. The drug is now undergoing trial at Roche. https://w…

I'm incredibly ignorant, can someone explain why a drug used to treat arthritis might work against a Coronavirus? I just don't understand the connection/interaction, or why this was even tried originally? Genuinely looking to learn.

it reduces the immune system reaction inflammatory reaction which can be fatal

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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The fatality rate of Italy is scary high. I read the reason is that they have such a high percentage of elderly.

...or not a very good coverage in term of testing.

We’re testing more than any country in Europe (or the USA)

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany.

We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requiring many individual contacts (contrast with Germany where companies on average are bigger), you can imagine that there is a strong flow of people to and fro. Maybe the small size of companies requiring more people to establish commercial links + population being more uniformly settled across the country (no huge wildland or sparsely inhabited area left in Po Valley, except maybe some parts of Piedmont?) + a certain cultural inclination for useless quarreling hindering political action + inefficiencies in the administration + an unsolved conflict of power between central gov't and periphery possibly causing some waste of time in other quarreling + having to keep the vast group of small business owners somewhat quiet has resulted in a vast spreading of the virus.

The interesting thing is that, if you replace China with Germany in the paragraph above (wrt. the possible German origin of the outbreak in Italy), the consideration about business links would still apply.

Another interesting thing I have just noticed is that some journalists are now openly praising the Chinese handling of the crisis. Maybe this may sound strange to an American :D but there has been for some time a growing cross-partisan movement calling for stronger links to China. In fact this movement is somewhat present in European business community, so it is not so special to Italy, but nonetheless it is interesting to see these comments of open praise.

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The fatality rate of Italy is scary high. I read the reason is that they have such a high percentage of elderly.

> The fatality rate of Italy is scary high. I read the reason is that they have such a high percentage of elderly.

And has one of the lowest fertility rates [1] in not just the EU, but in the World. Odd considering how just a generation ago having a large catholic, and poor, family was one of the most prominent qualities of Italian life.

They keep trying to monetarily incentivize increasing birth-rates, much like Japan, but its not working. I often wondered what implications all of these austerity measures and under-employment in regards to population growth would look like in the West, and it seems to be following the Japanese model quite well.

With that said, this is incredibly terrifying; the implications are looking dire.

1: https://www.thelocal.it/20160517/why-italys-facing-a-birth-r...

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide a link to where "the left" has said the only virus is racism? I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great. I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.

What he refers to, is that initially doctors said to stay away from people that went to China. Some politicians used that to push identity politics and went to Chinese restaurants and took pictures hugging Chinese people. I live in Poland so I have no idea, but my dad is back home and he's been telling me about it, that's what he said.

That makes a lot more sense to me. I do think both sides of the politcal spectrum are seeking to advance any parts of their agenda they can with this outbreak.

I just felt that if something that ridiculous was said (and I am a fairly liberal person!) it would have most likely made international news.

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For anybody living in quarantined areas of Italy. How much has your daily life been affected?

Italian here: not really a lockdown, we can go to work and the country discovered remote working. Supermarkets are open, pharmacies too. No shortage of goods except surgical masks

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Tocilizumab drug in Naples hospital seems promising: «The health of the patient suffering from covid 19, who arrived in critical condition, intubated and treated with the new drug therapy is recovering. Maybe we extubate him because his conditions have improved a lot ». They also say they got confirmation from Chinese colleagues who tested that earlier on 21 cases. The drug is now undergoing trial at Roche. https://w…

That and some other stuff http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0307/c90000-9665722.html

Chloroquine remains quite promising for the early stages http://news.southcn.com/nfplus/gdjktt/content/2020-03/09/con...

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Tocilizumab drug in Naples hospital seems promising: «The health of the patient suffering from covid 19, who arrived in critical condition, intubated and treated with the new drug therapy is recovering. Maybe we extubate him because his conditions have improved a lot ». They also say they got confirmation from Chinese colleagues who tested that earlier on 21 cases. The drug is now undergoing trial at Roche. https://w…

I'm incredibly ignorant, can someone explain why a drug used to treat arthritis might work against a Coronavirus? I just don't understand the connection/interaction, or why this was even tried originally? Genuinely looking to learn.

The linked video has interesting explanation. Perhaps someone more versed may upload to YT to get a robotraslation to everybody's benefit?
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