Unreal, a month ago (February 7th) I was posting this news story [1] related to the city of Shenzen which was about to be put into some form of lockdown, it only received one upvote. A month from that event and we have an entire European country (a G7 member to add) under lockdown. I guess the normalcy bias [2] was too strong for too many people until reality hit us hard in the face.
Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lockdown in Italy is a concept that is difficult to enforce. And it's probably very different to what it means in China or even just South Korea or any other more organised and centrally governed country in Europe like France. But in essence: Schools are closed until next month. People can still move around freely for work reasons, and in general people still work in offices. Bars and restaurants close after 18pm. Sh…
Completely random and off-topic. I'm in the US and used to 12-hour time. I personally prefer 24-hour time, and am comfortable with 18:00 or similar for a time indicator. I don't know that I've ever seen a 24-hour time with am/pm attached to it. Is this common?
not at all, it just seems a misprint / little error
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Left or right, all governments seem to be doing less than stellar job fighting this, to say the least. I don't understand why it is relevant.
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Could you provide a link to where "the left" has said the only virus is racism? I wasn't able to find anything, but admittedly my Italian is not great.
I find it hard to believe, and given Italy's recent problems with the far-right surge, it seems to be more fake news.
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#24Italy is a country of 60M+ people and the 8th largest economy in the world, with a very high national debt and that significantly relies on tourism for its economy. Above and beyond the Coronavirus, this can terribly affect the long-term solvency of the country.
I hope (and suspect) that the ECB (and Europe as a whole) will financially stand behind Italy, no questions asked (I'm a fellow European).
Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lockdown in Italy is a concept that is difficult to enforce. And it's probably very different to what it means in China or even just South Korea or any other more organised and centrally governed country in Europe like France. But in essence: Schools are closed until next month. People can still move around freely for work reasons, and in general people still work in offices. Bars and restaurants close after 18pm. Sh…
Completely random and off-topic. I'm in the US and used to 12-hour time. I personally prefer 24-hour time, and am comfortable with 18:00 or similar for a time indicator. I don't know that I've ever seen a 24-hour time with am/pm attached to it. Is this common?
No, at least not in Italy. In fact, I don't think it makes any sense.
Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lockdown in Italy is a concept that is difficult to enforce. And it's probably very different to what it means in China or even just South Korea or any other more organised and centrally governed country in Europe like France. But in essence: Schools are closed until next month. People can still move around freely for work reasons, and in general people still work in offices. Bars and restaurants close after 18pm. Sh…
Completely random and off-topic. I'm in the US and used to 12-hour time. I personally prefer 24-hour time, and am comfortable with 18:00 or similar for a time indicator. I don't know that I've ever seen a 24-hour time with am/pm attached to it. Is this common?
Just a bit of redundancy, to compensate USA Covid-19 tests.
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#27For anyone claiming that this is just a flu: I've never heard of an entire country being shut down because of the flu.
Don't jinx it. Bird flu (H5N1) is like that, 50% mortality, luckily it failed to gain human to human transmission.
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#28For anyone claiming that this is just a flu: I've never heard of an entire country being shut down because of the flu.
I've never heard of 14 people dying in a 120-bed nursing home of the seasonal flu in a 3 week time span either, but the Coronavirus is making that happen in Kirkland, WA right now. Actually, about 30 people have died, but since they don't have enough tests, they can't say that it was Coronavirus. My wife is an administrator at a Nursing facility that is much larger, and this many people DYING so quickly is terrifying…
Do you have any numbers or is it just anecdotal? Because when worked in a nursing home back the day, the seasonal flus was already bad enough, so...
Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country
#29Unreal, a month ago (February 7th) I was posting this news story [1] related to the city of Shenzen which was about to be put into some form of lockdown, it only received one upvote. A month from that event and we have an entire European country (a G7 member to add) under lockdown. I guess the normalcy bias [2] was too strong for too many people until reality hit us hard in the face. [1] https://www.epochtimes.com/gb…
I feel like it's less a matter of normalcy bias, and more that people reasonably distrust a Falun Gong newspaper written in a language they can't read.
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#30The government is calling to unity, and the situation is tragic enough that no-one can ignore the call. However the left wing (and the current ruling coalition) has some serious responsibilities here, and I hope they are held accountable once this mess is over. A few weeks ago we were told that 'the only virus there is, is racism', implying that people worried about the virus spreading were doing so because of an ant…
Since genome analysis has shown that the Italian strain came from Germany, they were right in denouncing racism against Chinese people living in Italy. Just like it's now incorrect to treat Italy like the European Wuhan. I am not sure how you can say the government's response is worse than other countries, where other governments are doing absolutely nothing even after they reached a thousand cases. (BTW the right sp…
> they were right in denouncing racism against Chinese people living in Italy.
In my opinion there was no actual racism, just common sense measures. That work against any strain.
> I am not sure how you can say the government's response is worse than other countries
I am thinking of our prime minister, for instance. Two weeks ago he was on TV 16 times in a single day, to denounce the emergency. Then we went into the 'business as usual' phase, and the situation slipped out of hand. Today he was quoting Churchill, and I had the impression that it was more to inflate his ego, rather than to do something useful for the country.
All in all I see a very amateurish management of the crisis.
> furioterzapi
That's a debated point, on live versions of the song you can clearly hear "Fulvio". On the booklet they write "Furio".