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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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The government is calling to unity, and the situation is tragic enough that no-one can ignore the call. However the left wing (and the current ruling coalition) has some serious responsibilities here, and I hope they are held accountable once this mess is over. A few weeks ago we were told that 'the only virus there is, is racism', implying that people worried about the virus spreading were doing so because of an ant…

* Health services in Italy are entirely controlled at the regional level

* The two worst-hit regions (Lombardia and Veneto) are ruled by right-wing coalitions

* Not even the administrations of those regions, who should be politically on the same page, can agree on what to do / what should have been done

* Prato in Toscana, the "unofficial Chinese capital of Italy", has seen no cases whatsoever.

But sure, let's use a worldwide pandemic to throw around some casual racism - like the rest of Europe is doing against "dirty Italians" right now.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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So this is awaiting all countries, in all likelihood? I mean what's the difference between Italy and Switzerland? Or Germany? Or the United States?

Well, depends on the number of cases and the effected area. If Milan is affected in Italy, you are guaranteed the virus will spread anywhere, it's a key place after all. There is also a psychological factor to count in of course... Social and ALL other media have been flooded with the virus 24/7 since the first confirmed case. It generates good views, everyone wants a piece of that, and now we have this nation-wide p…

I wouldn't call it a psychosis, because in this case people are right. If you look at the numbers [1] it went 10x in 10 days in Italy. Despite the counter measures. Now it's only 7.3k if the efficiency of the counter measures don't increase, it will be 73k in 10 days, 730k in 20 and probably 7M in a month. With 20% requiring hospitalization. Which simply cannot be managed at this scale. (Probably not even at the 730k mark.)

[1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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1. Agree 2. Possibly, I don't think Macron is immune to over-reaction 3. The economic damage is the damage caused by the reaction, not by the virus itself 4. I am not talking about some rural generalist. These are infectious diseases specialists, who from what I can tell publish in the likes of the New England, I give them more credit on that topic than the average TV anchor or newspaper editor

If overreaction is the problem, do you not think that letting the pandemic get worse, before we act, will trigger an even bigger overreaction?

I call it an overreaction precisely because I see no evidence of a really grave pandemic.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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> I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connection Just be honest and say that it did happen from tourism. It's ok to say that moron. You so full of shit it's unreal. If what you said was true, America would be dead my by now. Hahah I'll pull myself. That is more truth than your words.

This sort of comment really isn’t appropriate for HN.

I'll edit them to remove certain language, but I still think the OP of the comment was baiting. And clearly you all lap it up. Good to know/

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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You can read this report from a doctor there (translated in English on reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/ff8hns/testimony_... (the original links in Italian are at the bottom of the post if you prefer that)

And long comments full of vivid imagery lile this are EXACTLY why people are dissuaded from making social media posts, exemplified by the poster: "Sorry, but to me, as a doctor, it's not reassuring that the most serious are mainly elderly people with other pathologies." This could not be less helpful or more harmful. There is no useful information (that i got to, couldnt get all the way through). This is not an lette…

What's so unhelpful about an honest, informed opinion from someone who is actually directly involved, working in a hospital?

Seemed quite helpful to me. Much more so than the pure speculation I'm hearing from other sources.

I got the impression the poster wanted to get their truth out, not fear monger.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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It seems like these actions taken by governments will ultimately be futile, so the question is: can a vaccine or effective antiviral be developed fast enough to be worth the ~2-4 months of "slow spread" that can be bought in exchange for the economic and social slowdowns a country will sustain by creating massive quarantines like this?

While an authoritarian government may be better suited to positively addressing some very specific problems (such as a pandemic), I do not personally consider the benefits to be worth the costs of infringing on everyone's freedoms. A government built around liberty and individual rights simply cannot enforce a sufficiently useful quarantine here to contain something approximately as infectious as the flu.

Even China, which has severely curbed the spread of the coronavirus at tremendous expense, is still dealing with an exponential decay of new cases, at best. At the current rate (and assuming no incoming infections from abroad), it could take China a full year to go 14 days with no new cases. And if they let up restrictions sooner than that, perhaps they will lose ground to the virus once more. It does not seem sustainable.

Also note that most cases are not being tested and reported. Anecdotally, I have second degree connections who are mildly infected and being responsible (although still probably exposing some people who live near them), but see no point of getting tested because they don't need the hospital and it's just an extra trip out in public. Other seemingly sick people are out and about in the city in which I live, coughing without covering their mouths in busy areas, etc. Perhaps I am just noticing it more, but I suspect the official case numbers are still off by a factor of 10 or more, so considering roughly a million people are likely infected throughout the world, containment is a fantasy at this point.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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You can read this report from a doctor there (translated in English on reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/ff8hns/testimony_... (the original links in Italian are at the bottom of the post if you prefer that)

And long comments full of vivid imagery lile this are EXACTLY why people are dissuaded from making social media posts, exemplified by the poster: "Sorry, but to me, as a doctor, it's not reassuring that the most serious are mainly elderly people with other pathologies." This could not be less helpful or more harmful. There is no useful information (that i got to, couldnt get all the way through). This is not an lette…

This doctor is simply trying to warn people of what is to come. Anecdotal evidence is never ideal, but in some situations it’s the best we can have. I don’t see any motive for this doctor to create undue panic or hysteria.

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What surprises me is the number of deaths in relation to the number of infections. Even higher than Iran where I would expect less effective patient management than in northern Italy. What is your opinion on this?

The average age in italy is much beyond 50 (60 million population) and we have 3000 ICU in total. Yes.

In 2019, the average age of the Italian population was 45.4 years:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/569187/average-age-of-th...

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…

China has seen massive decline in the number of new cases in Hubei. It’s no surprise the response is being praised.

Can they be believed?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Comments like yours have no place on HN. I don't know how, but someone should ping dang / other admin to address this.

> Comments like yours have no place on HN What ? Think about that.

The downvotes sum up you guys, you cant see a good thing in front of you.

The irony is futurama level.

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