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Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by orf »

_4byd wrote: post #98
jayd16 wrote: post #93

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If someone should be pardoned, withholding the pardon for the purpose of coercion is extortion. If they should not be pardoned, offering a pardon for the purpose of a political favor is corruption.

Lol. “Should be pardoned.” I’m not sure you’re getting it.

I’m not sure you are. Using the promise of a pardon, with the implicit threat of upcoming or continuing prison time, to coerce someone into doing something politically favourable for you is extortion.

And yes, some people “should be pardoned”. I wouldn’t say a guy convicted of war crimes or a corrupt governor falls into that category though.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by harry8 »

three_seagrass wrote: post #104
Bendingo wrote: post #95

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None of your sources are evidence; they are just unsubstantiated opinions. The era when an authority could simply issue a conclusion, and expect the great unwashed public to just believe it without question, are long gone. We all have access to much more information than in the past and if we wish, can perform our own analysis and reach our own conclusions, independent of old media, private sector experts, assorted p…

You're certainly welcome to disprove the findings from the individual cybersecurity firms if you think they're wrong. Here, start with Fidelis: https://www.fidelissecurity.com/threatgeek/archive/findings-...

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That link contains zero evidence.

That's your best? Really? How gullible do you think we are? Colin Powell had satellite photos of trains! That was something, not evidence he said it was, sure, but something at least. This is nothing.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by netsharc »

ccaleb wrote: post #55
derision wrote: post #48

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Here's more information in another comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830

I don't mean to be condescending but perhaps you should continue your research. All of the stuff you're posting has been widely and thoroughly debunked. Additionally, you should think about which sources pushed this debunked information upon you. Are those trustworthy news sources?

I thought Hacker News had higher quality commenters than reddit, but lately I've been getting more and more disappointed.

(Not with you but with the likes of Seth Rich-conspiracy-theory spreading idiots).

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by fit2rule »

rtkwe wrote: post #35
fit2rule wrote: post #27

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DNC wouldn't know. US Intelligence community wouldn't know. Only Assange knows where he got the data. Why is it so easy for you to trust entities that were not involved in the leak so easily, yet disregard Assange's own agency over knowing/understanding where he got the data? Is it because you maybe just don't like Assange as a person? I mean, not vetting documents is one thing. But, actively engaging in election int…

They can definitely examine the access logs, method of intrusion, etc to determine who actually took the information from the servers... They're not 100% incompetent. I think Assange isn't particularly careful or picky about what he releases and by extension particular inclined to thoroughly examine who's giving him that info. Additionally from all appearances he scheduled and coordinated (at the very least indicated…

>As for my feelings about the various TLAs in the US they're mixed but I definitely think they're more likely to be able to tell who was actually involved than Assange.

The same agencies that said, with certainty, that there were WMD's in Iraq .. and then, after a few million innocent people have been murdered, can't find them?

I think Americans put too much faith in their TLA's. These organisations are as corruptible as any other, and - as we have learned - could just as easily be controlled by Russia as anyone else.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by pjc50 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #30
ryanobjc wrote: post #28

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"Please dont talk about politics on hackernews" Channeling the site operators a bit for you. Remember that politics is things like "who should win or lose in society?" and "who is even human and deserves civil rights, or the right to vote?" Honestly it always seemed obvious to me that any hacker would see that "civil rights should belong to everyone" and "we should all strive to everyone can win" as not only tautolog…

This is even more basic than that, though. This is about the proper-functioning of a system. I think we can all agree that our democratic system is important and that individuals who undermine it for their own gain are doing something morally wrong. That's not a partisan issue (though somehow, in our current Congress, it has managed to become one).

> I think we can all agree that our democratic system is important and that individuals who undermine it for their own gain are doing something morally wrong. That's not a partisan issue (though somehow, in our current Congress, it has managed to become one).

Absolutely not - current events have shown quite clearly how many people want the system to be rigged, corrupt and brutal provided it does so in their favour. Or even just to promote their own side in the culture war. Breaking the law "to own the libs".

Trump enjoys lockstep support in everything he does. The senate republicans support the lawbreaking, and their voters support them.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by zmoreira »

three_seagrass wrote: post #53
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #46

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What is this evidence you bring up, and where can we find it? If you have evidence - especially evidence that Assange himself doesn't have - by all means, share it. I am sure this would really help a lot of people understand an issue, about which the cyber-security industry has apparently reached a consensus.

Sure - more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 >The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks from "Guccifer 2.0" were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian military intelligence groups, and that "Guccifer 2.0" is actually a persona created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential electio…

CrowdStrike, lol.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by einpoklum »

crunchatized wrote: post #89
einpoklum wrote: post #71

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They can't examine anything, because AFAIK the servers were physically destroyed before official US authorities got to them. They relied on CrowdStrike's analysis.

Yeah, Comey did say in 2017 that they could only get CrowdStrike to hand over their analysis, and never got direct access to the machines. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03... But I can't find anything about physical destruction, CrowdStrike claims to only have ever had images of the systems. https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ... In 2018, the DNC said “The FBI was…

Maybe they were overwritten rather than literally destroyed. i.e. any VMs were destroyed and so on. Thanks for the links.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by einpoklum »

three_seagrass wrote: post #103
einpoklum wrote: post #65

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> The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded "Conculded"? It's nice that they concluded. If they want _us_ to conclude, then let them bring evidence. I remember when the US concluded Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction". That did not turn out to be quite accurate.

In the case of WMDs in Iraq, it was based loosely off single and misused British intelligence. There is overwhelming evidence with the DNC hack from the cybersecurity industry and intelligence communities.

Evidence cannot be "from the cybersecurity industry and intelligence communities"; it can only be from the affected machines. I believe you are conflating there being assertions by those communities with there being evidence.

If I am mistaken - please provide a link to such evidence.

I also remember that there was a report by many US intelligence agencies "confirming" the assessment - but they were all basing their opinion on the opinions by other agencies and/or CrowdStrike, the DNC-associated cyber-security firm which had actual access to the servers.

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Post by FDSGSG »

zmoreira wrote: post #116
three_seagrass wrote: post #53

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Sure - more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 >The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks from "Guccifer 2.0" were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian military intelligence groups, and that "Guccifer 2.0" is actually a persona created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential electio…

CrowdStrike, lol.

What's wrong with CrowdStrike? It's perhaps the most respected shop in that list.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by FDSGSG »

einpoklum wrote: post #118
three_seagrass wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of WMDs in Iraq, it was based loosely off single and misused British intelligence. There is overwhelming evidence with the DNC hack from the cybersecurity industry and intelligence communities.

Evidence cannot be "from the cybersecurity industry and intelligence communities"; it can only be from the affected machines. I believe you are conflating there being assertions by those communities with there being evidence. If I am mistaken - please provide a link to such evidence. I also remember that there was a report by many US intelligence agencies "confirming" the assessment - but they were all basing their o…

> DNC-associated cyber-security firm which had actual access to the servers.

Why use the wording "DNC-associated firm" instead of "firm hired by DNC"?

They're working with the GOP too https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-cyb...

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