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Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#41

Post by ryanlol »

Traster wrote: post #40
ryanlol wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't the whole the struggles and fiascos are about the suspect of him doing rape or not? Nope, those charges were dropped.

Is it the case that some of those charges passed the statute of limitations while Assange was hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy? I think "charges were dropped" is putting it a bit strongly.

AFAICT Sweden refused to interview and indict Assange as long as he remained in the embassy. If that’s true then IMO “charges were dropped” isn’t putting it a bit strongly.

Also AFAIK Swedish prosecutors wanted to drop these charges in 2013, but the UK prosecutors dissuaded them from doing do.

Besides, not all of the Swedish charges hit statute of limitations.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#42

Post by AndrewUnmuted »

three_seagrass wrote: post #36
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

>Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. That's wrong, and is spreading misinformation: - Julian Assange said that his source was not Russian Intelligence. - Julian Assange did not say that the hacks were not Russian. It's well known in the cybersecurity industry that the DNC email hacks performed by Guccifer 2.0 were Russian GRU.

> Julian Assange did not say that the hacks were not Russian.

Julian Assange has also never stated that a "hack" took place to obtain this data.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#43

Post by three_seagrass »

derision wrote: post #37
workaccountone wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any evidence suggesting this Seth Rich story is believable? There's certainly ample evidence suggesting it is not. The (FOX) article that peddled this story has been retracted and Seth Rich's family is suing the network over it.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-r...

This conspiracy has been debunked. The VIPS statement you linked to doesn't name their "independent cybersecurity" source, which was later proven to be the work of UK trolls:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dn...

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#44

Post by three_seagrass »

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #42
three_seagrass wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. That's wrong, and is spreading misinformation: - Julian Assange said that his source was not Russian Intelligence. - Julian Assange did not say that the hacks were not Russian. It's well known in the cybersecurity industry that the DNC email hacks performed by Guccifer 2.0 were Russian GRU.

> Julian Assange did not say that the hacks were not Russian. Julian Assange has also never stated that a "hack" took place to obtain this data.

Which doesn't matter because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#45

Post by stefantalpalaru »

three_seagrass wrote: post #36
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

>Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. That's wrong, and is spreading misinformation: - Julian Assange said that his source was not Russian Intelligence. - Julian Assange did not say that the hacks were not Russian. It's well known in the cybersecurity industry that the DNC email hacks performed by Guccifer 2.0 were Russian GRU.

> It's well known in the cybersecurity industry that the DNC email hacks performed by Guccifer 2.0 were Russian GRU.

That piece of disinformation was thoroughly debunked: http://www.g-2.space/

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#46

Post by AndrewUnmuted »

three_seagrass wrote: post #44
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Julian Assange did not say that the hacks were not Russian. Julian Assange has also never stated that a "hack" took place to obtain this data.

Which doesn't matter because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

What is this evidence you bring up, and where can we find it?

If you have evidence - especially evidence that Assange himself doesn't have - by all means, share it. I am sure this would really help a lot of people understand an issue, about which the cyber-security industry has apparently reached a consensus.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#47

Post by slg »

booboolayla wrote: post #13
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

Assange hinted that Seth Rich was their source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich#WikiLeaks_... Combine that with Bill Binney's analysis that proves the data couldn't have possibly been downloaded over the internet but rather shipped on a USB: https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/becdyc/nsa_whist...

Ok, so I watched some of that video and there is a comically simple explanation[1] that throws a wrench into Binney's "proof". All he knows is that the files were at one point saved using a FAT filesystem. He doesn't know specifically when that happened and if it was before, during, or after the documents were stolen.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=593&v=mwUoE8UecC...

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#48

Post by derision »

three_seagrass wrote: post #43
derision wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-r...

This conspiracy has been debunked. The VIPS statement you linked to doesn't name their "independent cybersecurity" source, which was later proven to be the work of UK trolls: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dn...

Here's more information in another comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#49

Post by ccaleb »

derision wrote: post #37
workaccountone wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any evidence suggesting this Seth Rich story is believable? There's certainly ample evidence suggesting it is not. The (FOX) article that peddled this story has been retracted and Seth Rich's family is suing the network over it.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-r...

Again, this has been debunked, multiple times. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170814/11490537992/stori...

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

#50

Post by cperciva »

Traster wrote: post #40
ryanlol wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't the whole the struggles and fiascos are about the suspect of him doing rape or not? Nope, those charges were dropped.

Is it the case that some of those charges passed the statute of limitations while Assange was hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy? I think "charges were dropped" is putting it a bit strongly.

I'm not familiar with Swedish law in this area (including whether it even exists -- not all states have statutes of limitations), but it would be quite remarkable to have a statute of limitations which didn't have an exception for fugitives.
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