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Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by ryanlol »

cperciva wrote: post #50
Traster wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it the case that some of those charges passed the statute of limitations while Assange was hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy? I think "charges were dropped" is putting it a bit strongly.

I'm not familiar with Swedish law in this area (including whether it even exists -- not all states have statutes of limitations), but it would be quite remarkable to have a statute of limitations which didn't have an exception for fugitives.

> but it would be quite remarkable to have a statute of limitations which didn't have an exception for fugitives.

It wouldn’t. It’s quite common to have a statute of limitations that requires the prosecutors to serve an indictment, in this case that wouldn’t even have been particularly difficult to achieve.

AFAIK most (all?) Nordic legal systems are like this.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by tree3 »

sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

> Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks.

Which is a blatantly false statement.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by three_seagrass »

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #46
three_seagrass wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which doesn't matter because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

What is this evidence you bring up, and where can we find it? If you have evidence - especially evidence that Assange himself doesn't have - by all means, share it. I am sure this would really help a lot of people understand an issue, about which the cyber-security industry has apparently reached a consensus.

Sure - more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0

>The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks from "Guccifer 2.0" were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian military intelligence groups, and that "Guccifer 2.0" is actually a persona created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. This conclusion is based on analyses conducted by various private sector cybersecurity individuals and firms, including CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, FireEye's Mandiant, SecureWorks, ThreatConnect, Trend Micro, and the security editor for Ars Technica.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by ryanlol »

three_seagrass wrote: post #53
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this evidence you bring up, and where can we find it? If you have evidence - especially evidence that Assange himself doesn't have - by all means, share it. I am sure this would really help a lot of people understand an issue, about which the cyber-security industry has apparently reached a consensus.

Sure - more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 >The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks from "Guccifer 2.0" were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian military intelligence groups, and that "Guccifer 2.0" is actually a persona created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential electio…

> including CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, FireEye's Mandiant, SecureWorks, ThreatConnect, Trend Micro, and the security editor for Ars Technica.

Some of these are not like the others.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by ccaleb »

derision wrote: post #48
three_seagrass wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This conspiracy has been debunked. The VIPS statement you linked to doesn't name their "independent cybersecurity" source, which was later proven to be the work of UK trolls: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dn...

Here's more information in another comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830

I don't mean to be condescending but perhaps you should continue your research. All of the stuff you're posting has been widely and thoroughly debunked. Additionally, you should think about which sources pushed this debunked information upon you. Are those trustworthy news sources?

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by three_seagrass »

derision wrote: post #48
three_seagrass wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This conspiracy has been debunked. The VIPS statement you linked to doesn't name their "independent cybersecurity" source, which was later proven to be the work of UK trolls: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dn...

Here's more information in another comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22369830

That HN comment was debunked as well. See the response in the thread.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by ccaleb »

m0zg wrote: post #4
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

And it doubly makes no sense coming from _his lawyer_. To what end would they jeopardize his freedom by making such statements? I smell fake news.

Here's a quote from Rohrabacher after visiting Assange in 2017: “When speaking with Julian Assange, I told him that if he could provide me information and evidence about who actually gave him the DNC emails, I would then call on President Trump to pardon him"

Is it really that hard to believe?

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by ccaleb »

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #46
three_seagrass wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which doesn't matter because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

What is this evidence you bring up, and where can we find it? If you have evidence - especially evidence that Assange himself doesn't have - by all means, share it. I am sure this would really help a lot of people understand an issue, about which the cyber-security industry has apparently reached a consensus.

Direct quote from Mueller Report: "GRU officers used both the DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 personas to communicate with WikiLeaks through Twitter private messaging and through encrypted channels, including possibly through WikiLeaks's private communication system.”

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by crunchatized »

falcolas wrote: post #12

Seems perfectly reasonable. Torture, err, solitary confinement. Interrogate, err, coerce statement, err, offer a pardon in exchange for the statement they want to hear, err, for a truthful and honest statement. Imply that the torture, err, solitary confinement will continue if the honest statement is not made. Yup, all perfectly reasonable. /s

Rohrabacher visited Assange in August 2017, when this offer supposedly took place. [1]

Assange wasn't placed in solitary confinement, a form of torture, until 2019, after he was arrested by UK authorities.

Of course in 2017, he was being arbitrarily detained, [2] which while not torture, was a violation of his human rights, and had been ongoing since the Obama administration with no end in sight.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20170817205448/https://rohrabach...

[2] https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by ccaleb »

booboolayla wrote: post #13
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

Assange hinted that Seth Rich was their source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich#WikiLeaks_... Combine that with Bill Binney's analysis that proves the data couldn't have possibly been downloaded over the internet but rather shipped on a USB: https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/becdyc/nsa_whist...

The Seth Rich thing has been widely debunked multiple times (as I said, and provided evidence for in another comment). The Fox article pushing this has been debunked. Fox is being sued by the family. There is no evidence for this theory.
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