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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by rafaelvasco »

2rsf wrote: post #96
rafaelvasco wrote: post #18

I personally have no reason to negate the existence of aliens or UFOs. I've read a lot of testimonies about encounters and everything, and they mostly add up with one another. The problem is that this theme is such that there's lots of passionate people out there, and as such, there's lots of fabricated stuff too. One must be diligent when researching about this stuff, but the evidence is really strong;

> I personally have no reason to negate the existence of aliens or UFOs. I've read a lot of testimonies about encounters and everything, and they mostly add up with one another. The two parts of the sentence doesn't necessarily adds up, I too think that life on other planets exists (or existed or will exist), but that doesn't necessarily mean that alien vehicles are poking us and a global conspiracy to hide their exi…

Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean, but everything points in that direction if you start earnestly looking into it.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by webmobdev »

dvh wrote: post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

A simpler and more obvious theory is that the USA's "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program" (to detect and identify UFOs) was just that - meant to identify any unknown potential threat in the sky. Any plane, drone, satellite, rocket, missile etc. is technically an Unidentified Flying Object till it is identified.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by andrewflnr »

zuckluni wrote: post #83
andrewflnr wrote: post #73

> Mention of Skinwalker Ranch in Utah as a “possible laboratory for studying other intelligences and possible interdimensional phenomena.” Using the word "interdimensional", rather than something more precise, smells like bullshit. Specifically, it sounds more like pop scifi than actual science. A "dimension" is an axis, not a universe, and I expect someone writing a serious document for the government about anything…

Maybe don't be so literal? maybe there are words for things that we don't understand yet.... we don't have the words yet so we have to reuse existing words and apply some imagination... that's not bad or hard is it?

Even if we have to reuse words, "dimension" is a bad one to use for this purpose.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

redis_mlc wrote: post #101
lend000 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't hear about Mao's peasant anti-gravity division? Jokes aside, I'm certain the OP didn't read the article and isn't well read on the subject. The OP's idea makes for an interesting story if you don't try picking it apart, but the real story is much harder to grasp. Most rational people cannot delve too deep into this subject without training wheels -- it can take years to get comfortable with some of the con…

> isn't well read on the subject. Me neither, though the History Channel sure tries these days, lol. Anyway, can somebody explain what the fascination is with UFOs to somebody who never really got it? I just assume the Universe is so big (and expanding) that nobody besides bacteria could make it alive to Earth. The End.

> I just assume the Universe is so big (and expanding) that nobody besides bacteria could make it alive to Earth.

Why would you assume that ?

Even if the speed of light is an absolute barrier why do you rule out the following:

- ET's that are immortal or with enormous lifespans, either naturally or because they re-engineered themselves that way

- ET's that have produced artificial intelligent entities that are immortal

- Generation ships

- Ships that travel at a significant fraction of c, causing time-dilation effects to greatly reduce travel times in the traveler's frame of reference

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if humans were able to achieve at least one of these in the next thousand years and an ET civilization could easily be millions of years ahead of us.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think ET's are the most likely explanation for what's happening either, but I also don't think they can be ruled out entirely.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #84
partiallypro wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Video experts have already established the videos are real, and not edited. I think it probably is US tech in the videos, but since it's FLIR cameras the government doesn't care because you can't see details. Otherwise, I don't think your theory is implausible...but the videos are definitely legit. If the tech is a drone, or a manned aircraft or some sort of diversionary tech to throw off enemy radar/instruments (whi…

The forensics expert consulted by Popular Mechanics (in the original article) did not agree that the videos where "definitely legit".

I don't recall seeing anything in the article about experts being asked if the videos are legitimate. I think very few people question that the videos are real because the DoD has confirmed them and isn't thought to be in the habit of producing fake videos.

I think the experts were asked if the objects in the videos might be conventional aircraft. There is still some discussion going on with regards to that point, but the Navy says they consider the objects "unidentified".

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #105
zuckluni wrote: post #81

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This all just seems a little anachronistic... a little arrogant... Are there really people in this day and age that believe there's nothing that exists that can't be explained with a textbook? Is the world do devoid of magic, or is wonder in such bountiful supply that something amazing and wonderful must be snuffed out, crushed under the weight of such dullness, such grasping conspiracy theories? A government psyop,…

Name one thing that a) we're sure exists, and b) it's so extraordinary that it "can't be explained with a textbook". The entire progress of humanity came through converting "magic" to "mundane". It's usually called "gaining understanding".

That's easy: subjective experience.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

jcrawfordor wrote: post #82

In many, many ways, AATIP appears to be Skinwalker Ranch all over again and BAASS is NIDSci all over again. There is significant overlap between the people involved and BAASS even has an odd habit of bringing up Skinwalker Ranch repeatedly despite a lack of a clear connection. This is significant when you look at the history of NIDSci's investigation of Skinwalker Ranch, which was a fairly high profile and well-funde…

Some of what you say may be true but I don't see how a billionaire "runs out of funding" for a hobby that only costs 10 or 20 million over 5 years.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by saber6 »

zuckluni wrote: post #80
firethief wrote: post #10

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> Frankly, a much less reaching theory at this point is that we simply don't know what these things are, have completely failed to determine it, and can't safely conjecture anymore they are human created or purely natural phenomena. This is a perfectly suitable place to be given our place in the universe and our current level of understanding, and doesn't require any further leaps to explaining their origin beyond "w…

What a time to be alive. I never thought I'd see it, but it's happened. The tipping point has been reached where conspiracy theories denying this stuff have become crazier than the reports of it. I think a new and very rich vein of crazy is about to make itself available to the masses for their entertainment, that is the mental gymnastics some people will tie themselves into to deny the existence of something which t…

Re conspiracy theories - I basically admitted we (I) don’t know shit after the Snowden leaks. We joked about the NSA mass spying on us for years. It wasn’t a joke.

I have no information that leads me to believe UFO-tech is in a different category currently. It’s probably real. Just a question of when we all learn about it.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by earthtourist »

Animats wrote: post #68

Why don't we have more cell phone videos of this stuff? Preferably from multiple cell phones from different angles. As for "lights in the sky", see [1]. It's getting way too easy to do this. [1] https://youtu.be/KhDEEN4gcpI

I looked at quite a few of the UFO videos on YouTube and none of them seemed legit to me except maybe this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-91Nobn2xk

The uploader looks like the kind of weirdo that would grab their phone to capture a UFO video but probably doesn't have the skill to create such a high quality fake.

It also matches the "tic tac" shape described by the most credible witnesses ever, the US Navy pilots.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

andrewflnr wrote: post #73

> Mention of Skinwalker Ranch in Utah as a “possible laboratory for studying other intelligences and possible interdimensional phenomena.” Using the word "interdimensional", rather than something more precise, smells like bullshit. Specifically, it sounds more like pop scifi than actual science. A "dimension" is an axis, not a universe, and I expect someone writing a serious document for the government about anything…

I agree with some of what you say in that introducing theories for which there is absolutely no known evidence doesn't exactly help their credibility.

However:

> A "dimension" is an axis, not a universe,

I don't think you should be so absolutest about that. How do you know that what we think of as "the universe" doesn't live entirely in a 3+1 dimensional subspace of some larger universe ?

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