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An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

This all just seems a little anachronistic... a little arrogant...

Are there really people in this day and age that believe there's nothing that exists that can't be explained with a textbook? Is the world do devoid of magic, or is wonder in such bountiful supply that something amazing and wonderful must be snuffed out, crushed under the weight of such dullness, such grasping conspiracy theories?

A government psyop, really? That's your big plan to explain centuries of reports -- that all of that is because it's some state wanting to massage the minds of it's soldiers... are you insane?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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In many, many ways, AATIP appears to be Skinwalker Ranch all over again and BAASS is NIDSci all over again. There is significant overlap between the people involved and BAASS even has an odd habit of bringing up Skinwalker Ranch repeatedly despite a lack of a clear connection.

This is significant when you look at the history of NIDSci's investigation of Skinwalker Ranch, which was a fairly high profile and well-funded investigation run by essentially all the same people which, after years, produced some popular media but few or no actual results.

To a cynical eye, it looks very much like Bigelow ran out of funding for his ongoing Skinwalker Ranch work (thus the undiscussed decline in actual NIDSci activity at the site despite it supposedly being an active project) and then, through some combination of wheeling and dealing and good fortune, connected with Sen. Reid to obtain a significant source of new funding to do similar work. Despite this funding being directed at UFOs generally and not Skinwalker Ranch specifically, BAASS still shows a desire to funnel that money towards Skinwalker Ranch.

So, is this a case of the US Gov't working towards disclosure, or a case of Bigelow finding a new source of funding for his ongoing hobby project at Skinwalker Ranch, and the DoD and the taxpayer being taken along for the ride? The involvement of DeLonge is an interesting twist not present for the Skinwalker Ranch saga, but unsurprising considering DeLonge's longstanding interest in UFOs and apparent similarity to Bigelow (wealthy, eccentric, and interested in paranormal phenomena). DeLonge, as well as Bigelow, seems fully prepared to play the whole matter for personal benefit through TTSA.

I do not question that there are interesting phenomena under the heading of UAP and that that Nimitz incident might be one of the most compelling pieces of open evidence. However, given the history of Bigelow and and almost everyone else heavily involved in BAASS, I have a very hard time beliving that the AATIP is going to take us in the direction of better understanding.

I feel that it takes very little background in federal contracting, especially in the intelligence space, to fully believe that the DoD has invested tens of millions of dollars into a total flight of fancy. This has happened many times and will happen many more. Confusion and opacity in discussing the matter is completely unsurprising as a result of both the complicated confidentiality matters involved and the DoD's inherent lack of interest in being clear that it has spent tens of millions on Bigelow's hobby.

I sound very critical, and I am. But I think the important point is that a lot of the popular reporting on the issue, perhaps all of it, fails to discuss the possibility that "there is no there there" and that this is quite possibly just another story of DoD inefficacy with an unusual, Blink-182 twist.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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> Mention of Skinwalker Ranch in Utah as a “possible laboratory for studying other intelligences and possible interdimensional phenomena.” Using the word "interdimensional", rather than something more precise, smells like bullshit. Specifically, it sounds more like pop scifi than actual science. A "dimension" is an axis, not a universe, and I expect someone writing a serious document for the government about anything…

Maybe don't be so literal? maybe there are words for things that we don't understand yet.... we don't have the words yet so we have to reuse existing words and apply some imagination... that's not bad or hard is it?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

#84
post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

Video experts have already established the videos are real, and not edited. I think it probably is US tech in the videos, but since it's FLIR cameras the government doesn't care because you can't see details. Otherwise, I don't think your theory is implausible...but the videos are definitely legit. If the tech is a drone, or a manned aircraft or some sort of diversionary tech to throw off enemy radar/instruments (whi…

The forensics expert consulted by Popular Mechanics (in the original article) did not agree that the videos where "definitely legit".

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

#85
post #26

What's the deal with Skinwalker ranch? Why are they interested in it? Everything is so vague and x-filesy when people mention the ranch. Very woo woo without any actual details about what people have encountered there. What is the specific link between the ranch and UFOs?

In my mind, Skinwalker Ranch is one of the most clear events that should raise questions about Bigelow's credibility. NIDSci very prominently purchased the ranch and initiated a research project there which they even invited some reporters to observe. Absolutely nothing came out of it besides a couple of books which provided essentially nothing other than recapping myths related to the site which are, themselves, of…

One of the most articulate and complete replies I've ever received on this website. Thank you.

Skinwalker Ranch seems like a key to understanding the state of the art in UFO research. In a word: Farcical. Almost on a 'men who stare at goats' type level of ridiculousness.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. The issue I have with this line of reasoning is that if the US military actually possesses technology that's vastly ahead of anything official, then that implies that about 99.9% of the US military bu…

While I don't believe the 'it's all cointel' theory myself, it does also seem possible the USAF could have highly advanced prototypes that aren't ready for mass production yet.

>it does also seem possible the USAF could have highly advanced prototypes that aren't ready for mass production yet.

And have had them for decades now, if UFO reports are to be believed?

UFO sightings aren't new. The capabilities people report don't seem to be getting better over time. If UFO reports are (sometimes) real and they're advanced US prototypes not ready for production, what were they 30 or 40 years ago? Have UFO reports only been real for the last 10 or so years?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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to everyone theorizing.

why? first, whether you say it's aliens or "the government", face it, both those concepts are black boxes to invoke to explain the unexplainable, ergo they're equivalent explanations, or different valence, same kind

second, why be so quick to grasp and reduce it to a theory? why not just be a little bit comfortable with the discomfort of an unresolved tension? why just not be a little bit comfortable with an unanswered question, an unknown, a mystery, something amazing and wonderful and unable to be explained? why the need to rush to explain it reaching and grasping and expose yourself to the error of putting your need to explain it in front of actual accuracy?

you can't end up with something good like that. you just satisfy your need of an explanation but why not just be comfortable with the question, with the mystery?

That's a problem without secular world.... people need to get more comfortable with the mystery otherwise it's the stupid anthropomorphic point of view that says nothing a human can see outside it's tiny stupid ignorant little box exists... why not just do the easy thing and acknowledge okay there's a whole lot of fucking mystery out there I'm not going to rush to say it's this or that I'm just going to be okay with, "okay there's a lot of stuff I don't fucking know"

that seems like the rationale sensible and to be honest happy perspective to take

why everyone wants got to be so crazy to rationalize and theorize and reduce it to some story when nobody has any fucking idea at all? isn't that just psychosis?

do yourself a favor don't believe anything just keep an open mind don't rush to believe cuz you most likely believe in something that's fucking crazy

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Yeah, so I am curious here, why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing? I ask this in all seriousness because I don't think you, me, or anyone else alive can answer how they do basically any of the stuff reported. This makes it hard for me to believe that not only has someone actually answered all of those questions, but actually mastered the science and…

One possible theory is that they aren't massive objects at all but instead are some sort of 3D projection in the air, probably involving plasma produced with high powered lasers, RF beams or particle beams. That would require technology that isn't publicly known but probably doesn't violate any laws of physics. However if you believe the claims made in this article that high-ranking officials have excluded the possib…

Interesting that there is a good amount of circumstantial evidence that leads this way. I saw the phenomenon with other witnesses as well 22 years ago and I simply cannot rule out projections. Seems simple enough and able to explain it all. But then again there is supposed to be physical evidence which would contradict everything I just said. Now that would be something.

See my previous comment on the topic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21860860

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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At risk of inviting ridicule, I went through a phase where I read everything I could find on the subject of UFOs. Jacques Vallee stands out as one of the most sober and interesting researchers on the topic. Some cases that I think are worth checking out: * Colares, Brazil * JAL 1628 * O'Hare airport * Green fireballs, Los Alamos * Black triangles in belgium * Solyut golden sphere (maybe soyuz, I don't recall) * Gordo…

Regarding black triangles: My parents told me many years ago how one warm evening they sat outside and looked at the sky. At a very low altitude (less than 50 m) a large, black, triangle-shaped object flew slowly over them without making any noise. This happened in Germany.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

#90
post #27

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Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just pass orders down through the ranks to report all sightings, however odd they may seem? "Hey, we think the Chinese or Russians may have something new. It's imperative that all unidentifiable flying craft are reported." My personal theory is that the US knows exactly what these objects are because they built them. I don't believe the US military would've ever commented if they weren'…

Yeah, so I am curious here, why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing? I ask this in all seriousness because I don't think you, me, or anyone else alive can answer how they do basically any of the stuff reported. This makes it hard for me to believe that not only has someone actually answered all of those questions, but actually mastered the science and…

Once when I was standing on the summit of a mountain on a sunny, clear day in the PNW I witnessed an astounding sight: two mountain peaks “stacked” on top of each other on the horizon, like a glitchy sprite in a video game. I thought I was hallucinating, it was insane. The “top” peak would move, warp, and distort as you walked towards lower elevation.

I found out later this is a rare mirage that occurs when a thermal inversion causes light on the horizon to bend.[0]

if this occurred at night and those mountain peaks were replaced with something like car head lights, I may have walked off that mountain as a UFO believer. I’m not saying this explains away all the UFO sightings. Only suggesting that there could be a lot rational, yet obscure, explanations that haven’t been considered.

[0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fata_Morgana_(mirage)

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