An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
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An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#2This article is an absolute train wreck.
Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#3The author of this article is a very impressive and credible person, but there’s little new covered here. It’s kind of circular logic confirming things already revealed. The individuals referenced are not impartial and are biased by a quest for exotic technology research going back decades. They’ve used their affiliation with the Intelligence Community to enchant investors, all of whom have lost money.
The most compelling revelation is that the Director of the DoD SAP Central Office reportedly told Congress that these aircraft are not US black projects.
Two key points that suggest this topic is driven by an unknown private entity with complex financial incentives:
1) This is essentially what KG (in the article) has said in regards to the UFO core story and the alien autopsy samples and 2) It was KG who first pitched Robert Bigelow on building a pseudoscientific device to communicate with Bigelow’s dead son. This was in the early 90s and happened at a retired Army Cornel’s house. This is how Bigelow got into paranormal research.
What is undeniable is that Elizondo and Semivan work for a company that gifted a widely known stock scammer $1.5 million and is now on the TTSA board. Explaining this is hard beyond normal human folly.
More details from my previous comment- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22105013
Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#4The author of this article is a very impressive and credible person, but there’s little new covered here. It’s kind of circular logic confirming things already revealed. The individuals referenced are not impartial and are biased by a quest for exotic technology research going back decades. They’ve used their affiliation with the Intelligence Community to enchant investors, all of whom have lost money. The most compe…
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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#5There are several important new pieces of information here and significantly more detail than we had before.
In particular, we learn that "Brigadier General Richard Stapp, Director of the DoD Special Access Program Central Office, testified the mysterious objects being encountered by the military were not related to secret U.S. technology." There is also evidence put forward that Elizondo was put on the program because his varied experiences and clearances would be useful in ascertaining whether sightings were related to black projects.
There is more confirmation here that anomalous events have occurred at ICBM bases, which is pretty sobering. The most prominent of these events happened in the 1960's, and there are similar reports that came out of Soviet Russia (not mentioned in this article).
We also learn the lengths that both the government and the contractors went to deliver misinformation about the program since its initial revelation, despite it not actually involving any exotic technology.
Many people will take this at face value and believe the Pentagon's next statement, despite the fact that they have continuously stated "we are done studying ufo's this time, nothing to see here" since Blue Book publicly ended, only for there to be another program revealed later. IMO this debunks the "secret US aircraft" angle that a lot of skeptics use, and it makes it highly unlikely it belongs to a "local" adversary.
Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#6Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Military pilots didn't reported it. Maybe Venus. Or moonlight bouncing off swamp gas, but not UFO. Why?
In past decades whenever military pilot reported UFO they were laughed at, sent to psychologist, evaluated, sent behind the desk. Other pilots knew and when they saw something really weird they have kept it for themselves.
Then the higher ups panicked. If they don't report our drones, they will not report Chinese or Russian drones either. We have hundreds and thousands of eyes in the sky but they will not report because they are afraid to speak.
So they came up with a campaign. They started to publish official UFO footage and started more openly talk about it to show pilots that it is now ok to talk about UFO. Don't be afraid pilots, if you see something strange jus tell us, we take it seriously now.
There are no aliens. Videos you saw are created or modified to look legit, and officially supported or confirmed. Goal is to encourage pilots to report possible Chinese drones.
Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#7Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…
Unlike you, this article has evidence and testimony from a number of places and people specifically saying this is not black project technology.
Defense contractors and government IT staff aren't like the MIT grads in Google's AI group. They work exactly 40 hours for a paycheck (each hour logged to a program's charge number), don't "fail fast and break things", don't collaborate within a large open scientific community, and ultimately, don't do a whole lot of innovation. Most segments are at least a decade behind the market where electronics and software are concerned -- the NSA is only as capable as it is because it can coerce beasts like Amazon and Google into letting them in. I find it highly unlikely they can account for the seemingly inertia-less craft that have been sighted with some credibility for at least 70 years.
Also, keep in mind that the USS Nimitiz Tic-Tac was over 15 years ago now. Where's that drone tech now?
Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#8Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…
The theory that this is US-controlled drone tech does not jive with the claims made with regards to aerodynamic performance by David Fravor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ
Basically, skeptics need to embrace the idea that such an off-the-cuff, obvious theory like "it's drone tech" or "it's Chinese or Russian tech" like the one you mention is well outside the realm of things that should be taken seriously, given the current up-to-date evidence and claims. Such a theory would have to additionally claim that the existing evidence is completely fabricated, and those involved going on record are complete frauds or disinformation agents. Theories that at least include those aspects would have much more credibility, given that they at would at least fit the evidence, but would require a high degree of assumptions.
Frankly, a much less reaching theory at this point is that we simply don't know what these things are, have completely failed to determine it, and can't safely conjecture anymore they are human created or purely natural phenomena. This is a perfectly suitable place to be given our place in the universe and our current level of understanding, and doesn't require any further leaps to explaining their origin beyond "we just don't know." Its fair to speculate, but we should recognize most of such speculations are probably unfalsifiable.
In terms of action, it does mean we should try to find out more if we haven't yet fully exhausted our ability to do so. Hard to say, given the evidence, if our government has done so, but civilian industry certainly hasn't.
Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#9Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…
Sounds very plausible. I think many would agree there are no aliens piloting these craft, and that it isn't that hard to believe there are some groups that the government has either acquired or formed that can make extraordinary craft.
Much of the critique of this idea stems from the idea that our government is incompetent in everything that they do. Even that image of incompetence is something that is potentially very valuable in order to give other nations the false sense that there is no way such an incompetent organization could produce X or Y.
Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program
#10Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…
The theory that this is US-controlled drone tech does not jive with the claims made with regards to aerodynamic performance by David Fravor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ Basically, skeptics need to embrace the idea that such an off-the-cuff, obvious theory like "it's drone tech" or "it's Chinese or Russian tech" like the one you mention is well outside the realm of things that should be taken seriously…
> Frankly, a much less reaching theory at this point is that we simply don't know what these things are, have completely failed to determine it, and can't safely conjecture anymore they are human created or purely natural phenomena. This is a perfectly suitable place to be given our place in the universe and our current level of understanding, and doesn't require any further leaps to explaining their origin beyond "we just don't know." In terms of action, it does mean we should try to find out more if we haven't yet fully exhausted our ability to do so. Hard to say, given the evidence, if our government has done so, but civilian industry certainly hasn't.
This is compatible with dvh's theory AIUI, which is not about explaining this particular case but about explaining why we're hearing about this stuff. If the government wants people to report UFO sightings, and they're encouraging it by amplifying instead of suppressing certain UFO reports, why would they shine the spotlight on the reports that are actually their top-secret drones? They'd pick something like this, where no one actually knows wtf it is. They don't have to fake the incident, they just pick something weird that happened and say "hey media, check this out".