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Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I don't really know why Google, a company, is doing what should be done by the government with no clear benefit to the bottom line. This is not to say they shouldn’t do this, but if you look at it that way, it shouldn't be surprising at all. If they really wanted to help they probably should have teamed up with the government to ensure that there is government buy in to the program.

I think Google is an insecure advertising company. It's as if Phillip Morris International was trying to develop solar panels and vegan food products to make everyone forget that most of their revenue comes from tobacco.

> Phillip Morris International

You mean Altria. They changed their name, for some strange reason.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I suspect they're withdrawing due to infrastructure issues. We also have frequent power cuts (in my area it's up to 4 hours a day with no electricity) and loads of cable theft. Some of the cell towers even get shut down because people steal the hardware, the batteries that keep them operational. Heck, we've even had cases of people stealing fibre cables, because they thought they were worth more than copper. *I am a…

Unfortunately, this is the downward spiral of having bad actors. I kinda wish we lived in a world where communities could self-regulate and expel bad actors to let the ones who want to work together to achieve something can thrive.

Do you mean law and order?

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between a paid (Google) service and a free one. Google doesn't generally shutdown paid B2B services, but it certainly does have a record of instability on free consumer services (like this wifi thing).

Well, they may not exactly sjut it down in th same abrupt way if it's paid, but if you look at their recent changes to the costs if using their maps API, they're certainly willing to rewrite the terms of use for paid tiers that result in apps that were paying nominal fees to suddenly being charged onerous, crippling costs order of magnitude more expensive that require shutting down the service built on Google's tech.…

The pricing changes to Maps were 2 years ago, that's hardly a pattern.

Microsoft also ends support for products every year, often with replacements, but there's still migration costs: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4470235/products-en...

Apple also deprecates core APIs, not always with a replacement: https://stackoverflow.com/a/53285999

Google does turn down lots of (smaller) free consumer services, but the meme that their behavior around consumer products should translate into not trusting them for B2B is not backed up in their behavior or historical data around support. They behave similarly to all the other major companies.

For example the App Engine Datastore has existed for 12 years and still works, despite the availability of Firebase RTDB, FireStore, Cloud Spanner, Cloud BigTable, etc.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I suspect they're withdrawing due to infrastructure issues. We also have frequent power cuts (in my area it's up to 4 hours a day with no electricity) and loads of cable theft. Some of the cell towers even get shut down because people steal the hardware, the batteries that keep them operational. Heck, we've even had cases of people stealing fibre cables, because they thought they were worth more than copper. *I am a…

Unfortunately, this is the downward spiral of having bad actors. I kinda wish we lived in a world where communities could self-regulate and expel bad actors to let the ones who want to work together to achieve something can thrive.

It's more the downward spiral created by inequality and poverty.

Address that and you can have nice things safely.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I suspect they're withdrawing due to infrastructure issues. We also have frequent power cuts (in my area it's up to 4 hours a day with no electricity) and loads of cable theft. Some of the cell towers even get shut down because people steal the hardware, the batteries that keep them operational. Heck, we've even had cases of people stealing fibre cables, because they thought they were worth more than copper. *I am a…

Eish, that's still going on? I'm half South African and grew up in SA but left in 2007, mainly because of the crime, but also the Telkom monopoly and rolling blackouts ("load shedding") were not so conducive to starting an internet business.

It's kinda amazing to me that any techies stay there. Cape Town is beautiful yes, but so is New Zealand (where many Saffers such as my family emigrated to).

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Redirect the billions lost to state capture each year and free wifi to a few townships would be nothing.

And do what with it ????. Folks just want's the basics ... a job to feed their family and decent education for their kids to escape the cycle of poverty. I don't see how free Wifi is going to help with this one.

Access to the Internet is a basic need.

Apart from access to education that other commenters pointed out, a lot of jobs will only accept digital CVs now.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I still remember when Google promised to bring free wifi to all of the poor neighborhoods in Chicago. Amid a big frenzy of local media and politician hoopla it said was going to put access points on every streetlight. Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points. So it just walked away.

> Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points. Uh? Duh! What did they expect? A switch in every street light? (Which also would need to be controlled in some way ...)

Ones in my neck of the woods just switch based on a light sensor on the top. No need for programming/timing adjustment or a master-switched second grid.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I appreciate that Google tries new things, but I don't get why their success rate seems to fall far short of Amazon.

Google seems to build things their engineers want to build. Amazon seems to build things their customers want to have.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I still remember when Google promised to bring free wifi to all of the poor neighborhoods in Chicago. Amid a big frenzy of local media and politician hoopla it said was going to put access points on every streetlight. Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points. So it just walked away.

> Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points. Uh? Duh! What did they expect? A switch in every street light? (Which also would need to be controlled in some way ...)

Streetlights in Berlin (at least on my street) are completely autonomous. It's a lot of fun to watch them start sequentially (with the light dimming down).

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Amazon, SpaceX and OneWeb are all doing satellite based internet service(or atleast trying to push in that direction. I wonder why project loon/whatever google calls it's think tanks now discarded that as an idea? seems like a thing purpose built for the google brand - huge idea, requires massive funding, literally no government can prevent you from beaming internet at it's citizens without a satellite killer(which t…

Huge idea requiring massive Capex seems more like an amazon thing (AWS, fulfillment centers, etc) than a google thing.
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