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Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Managers are only very tangentially involved with "rewarding" employees at Google. They do not promote them: it's the responsibility of the employee to apply for a promo, though manager has to support. And promotion decision is not made by the manager either: it's made by a committee that has never even seen the employee and knows nothing about their work other than what they choose to put in their "promotion packet"…

In other places without committees most of the same rules still apply. Instead of the committee, the employee needs to justify the promo to the manager+skip(s) and external assessors from other teams often need to also approve promos. I find a lot of the most impactful work isn't easily measured by metrics or monetary impact. These metrics are always deceptive and if you are doing honest maintenance you may encounter…

Arguably Google's system is fairer, because the committee doesn't know you, so their decision has to rely on the facts in the packet (and their cursory validation of such facts against other evidence). IOW, you don't get a promo just because you brownnose your boss or skip, or butter up some bosses that you know will be present when the decision is made - they aren't on the committee, and they aren't the ones making the decision.

Even though this system is objectively fairer, it _feels_ shitty nevertheless, I suppose because it's much harder to game through the mechanisms outlined above. You have to game it in other, much more labor-intensive ways, such as "work with" people who are a level or two above you (of which there are very few in remote offices, so you better be in Mountain View for that), sit in important meetings, "show leadership", virtue signal, etc. In fact if you do all of these things really well, you could skip the actual productive work by switching to the management track. If you're not super good at this, you have to do them in addition to your day job, and your promo prospects become tenuous at best beyond level 5.

Regarding metrics, there's a universal law at Google: you can't improve what you don't measure. This is part of the reason why Google sucks at UX for example, and rocks pretty hard at ads and search. The former is not measurable. The latter is.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I suspect they're withdrawing due to infrastructure issues. We also have frequent power cuts (in my area it's up to 4 hours a day with no electricity) and loads of cable theft. Some of the cell towers even get shut down because people steal the hardware, the batteries that keep them operational. Heck, we've even had cases of people stealing fibre cables, because they thought they were worth more than copper.

*I am a South African living in South Africa.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I don't really know why Google, a company, is doing what should be done by the government with no clear benefit to the bottom line. This is not to say they shouldn’t do this, but if you look at it that way, it shouldn't be surprising at all. If they really wanted to help they probably should have teamed up with the government to ensure that there is government buy in to the program.

I think Google is an insecure advertising company. It's as if Phillip Morris International was trying to develop solar panels and vegan food products to make everyone forget that most of their revenue comes from tobacco.

Google is not a person. It can't feel anything. It is also composed of several teams, so it's perfectly possible for Google to look both to the left and to the right at the same time, before the higher ups decide to do some spring cleaning and shut down projects that don't align with their bigger picture.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I still remember when Google promised to bring free wifi to all of the poor neighborhoods in Chicago. Amid a big frenzy of local media and politician hoopla it said was going to put access points on every streetlight. Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points. So it just walked away.

> Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points. Uh? Duh! What did they expect? A switch in every street light? (Which also would need to be controlled in some way ...)

Google operated city-wide public WiFi in Mountain View for many years. So, it's not like they didn't have any experience.

I would also like to point out that most cities have a utility electrical grid to power traffic lights and the like. While I imaging some south cities could get away with solar-powered traffic lights, it's unlikely that Chicago is one.

I don't know anything about this Google+Chicago experience (even though I currently work at Google), but I would bet the issue was not as simple as "they found out that street lights turn off".

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I suspect they're withdrawing due to infrastructure issues. We also have frequent power cuts (in my area it's up to 4 hours a day with no electricity) and loads of cable theft. Some of the cell towers even get shut down because people steal the hardware, the batteries that keep them operational. Heck, we've even had cases of people stealing fibre cables, because they thought they were worth more than copper. *I am a…

Unfortunately, this is the downward spiral of having bad actors. I kinda wish we lived in a world where communities could self-regulate and expel bad actors to let the ones who want to work together to achieve something can thrive.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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SA doesn't have the resources to offer the poor free Wi-Fi so they will miss out. And there is also the ongoing problem of cable theft so maybe google won't chance it here.

What do you mean? Redirect the billions lost to state capture each year and free wifi to a few townships would be nothing.

And do what with it ????.

Folks just want's the basics ... a job to feed their family and decent education for their kids to escape the cycle of poverty.

I don't see how free Wifi is going to help with this one.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Redirect the billions lost to state capture each year and free wifi to a few townships would be nothing.

And do what with it ????. Folks just want's the basics ... a job to feed their family and decent education for their kids to escape the cycle of poverty. I don't see how free Wifi is going to help with this one.

You don't see a connection between Internet access and a decent education?

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Redirect the billions lost to state capture each year and free wifi to a few townships would be nothing.

And do what with it ????. Folks just want's the basics ... a job to feed their family and decent education for their kids to escape the cycle of poverty. I don't see how free Wifi is going to help with this one.

You don't see how access to WiFi would improve education? Seriously?
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