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Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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silicon valley: “fail fast” also silicon valley: “google shuts down too many things”

public: not interested in adopting a product that likely will disappear when I start to depend on it

public: This would have been such a lovely product, now it will never happen :(

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

#62

SA doesn't have the resources to offer the poor free Wi-Fi so they will miss out. And there is also the ongoing problem of cable theft so maybe google won't chance it here.

What do you mean? Redirect the billions lost to state capture each year and free wifi to a few townships would be nothing.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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post #60

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Well if Google tried rewarding maintenance work, would people who do hard maintenance work and reduce tech debt actually be rewarded? Instead I think the result would be people gaming the new system and doing nothing while claiming to solve hard maintenance problems. Managers, as usual, would reward the wrong people. At least with the current system, google gets something kinda measurable.

Managers are only very tangentially involved with "rewarding" employees at Google. They do not promote them: it's the responsibility of the employee to apply for a promo, though manager has to support. And promotion decision is not made by the manager either: it's made by a committee that has never even seen the employee and knows nothing about their work other than what they choose to put in their "promotion packet"…

In other places without committees most of the same rules still apply. Instead of the committee, the employee needs to justify the promo to the manager+skip(s) and external assessors from other teams often need to also approve promos.

I find a lot of the most impactful work isn't easily measured by metrics or monetary impact. These metrics are always deceptive and if you are doing honest maintenance you may encounter many additional issues that make you look like a troublemaker. The people who get promoted often cause disasters and then fix the disaster while recording metrics. Putting in hard work to make stuff run as expected looks like doing nothing to people unfamiliar with the low level technical details.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Google needs all the good PR it can get, these days. I'd be willing to pour money into ventures like this if I was in their position, too.

Google has been working on WiFi projects for a long time. They have enough good PR outside HN, no need to trivialize when a company takes up a good project.

No need to not call out PR marketing when you see it in the wild.

It's fine praise a company that does good, but don't act as if these companies are doing it out of pure kindness of their heart when they have legal shareholders to account for.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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post #47

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"This went poorly because we care far more about launch than execution" is really the same spirit as the gp's paraphrase.

Many products from Google die because is a bottom up company: many ideas that make it into products come from Engineering directly, (guys who wants o solve challenging problems), to later find out that the business analysis was poor...and an internal performance system that advocates for launches

So, extremely poor governance?

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I just can't think of any reason why, if I were building any sort of business (tech or otherwise) I would incorporate google services (apart form google search ads, perhaps) into any aspect of it that I would deem "essential" or even "important". Even Drive & the associated sheets/docs/etc I look at with an eye towards "be ready to mass download the lot of it on short notice" As an example, about two years ago they w…

There's a big difference between a paid (Google) service and a free one. Google doesn't generally shutdown paid B2B services, but it certainly does have a record of instability on free consumer services (like this wifi thing).

Well, they may not exactly sjut it down in th same abrupt way if it's paid, but if you look at their recent changes to the costs if using their maps API, they're certainly willing to rewrite the terms of use for paid tiers that result in apps that were paying nominal fees to suddenly being charged onerous, crippling costs order of magnitude more expensive that require shutting down the service built on Google's tech.

So, no, paid services are not free from the fear of Google's drastic and suddenly project cuts or (as near as cuts) massiveness overhauls.

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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Amazon, SpaceX and OneWeb are all doing satellite based internet service(or atleast trying to push in that direction.

I wonder why project loon/whatever google calls it's think tanks now discarded that as an idea? seems like a thing purpose built for the google brand - huge idea, requires massive funding, literally no government can prevent you from beaming internet at it's citizens without a satellite killer(which they can't deploy without intl negative attention)

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/22/fast-internet-via-satellites...

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

#69

I still remember when Google promised to bring free wifi to all of the poor neighborhoods in Chicago. Amid a big frenzy of local media and politician hoopla it said was going to put access points on every streetlight. Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points. So it just walked away.

> Then Google found out that when the street lights turn off, there's no power to run the access points.

Uh? Duh! What did they expect? A switch in every street light? (Which also would need to be controlled in some way ...)

Re: Google ditches its free WiFi service in South Africa, three months after launch

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I don't really know why Google, a company, is doing what should be done by the government with no clear benefit to the bottom line. This is not to say they shouldn’t do this, but if you look at it that way, it shouldn't be surprising at all. If they really wanted to help they probably should have teamed up with the government to ensure that there is government buy in to the program.

I think Google is an insecure advertising company. It's as if Phillip Morris International was trying to develop solar panels and vegan food products to make everyone forget that most of their revenue comes from tobacco.

Would have made it harder for the public to hate big tobacco if they had been putting their names behind good stuff for all the years they had insane profits. Might even have kept regulators from decimating their business.

Google learned from mistakes of the past.

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