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Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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> Yes these quarterly numbers are in the best conditions and supervised, no that doesn't invalidate them... That is exactly what it does: it invalidates them. Comparing apples to oranges is an invalid comparison. Let's compare the numbers again when there's sufficient data for self-driving tech driving in all environmental conditions without supervision and without human assistance jumping in whenever it gets rough.…
Are computers better than the best human drivers in all circumstances? No, maybe they never will be, but that doesn't matter. Are they better than average humans in average conditions already? Yes. They don't need to be all powerful AGI which can replace humans in all circumstances to be useful and save lives.
What doesn't matter is who wins in average conditions. Because averages are just that: averages. But actual driving is full of non-average situations, whether they are created by weather, other human participants in traffic, animals, whatever...there's millions of surprising non-standard situations happening each day in traffic, and current technology isn't even able to reliably detect when it's facing such a situation, much less capable of handling them entirely on its own.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
#363Earlier quoted context omitted.
The dancing cars were fixed several months ago in an update. The computer used to just recognize cars, and then align them according to the lanes it sees. At a stoplight it when it had trouble seeing the lanes clearly the cars would rapidly change orientation. Since they updated the neural net to also recognize the vehicle orientations the dancing has stopped. I have seen a lane change cancel recently, a couple weeks…
"The dancing cars were fixed several months ago in an update." On the latest software and with HW 2.5, this is not true. It's still very much there.
Agreed, with HW3 it's the same, there's still lots of jitter and dancing cars. As of today, with software updated about three days ago.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no evidence that computers are any better at driving than humans, and there is no evidence that this generation of machine learning will be able to tackle this problem sufficiently. All signs point to driving requiring an understanding of what's going on around you, which this generation of ML does not provide. On the other hand, there is a lot of hype and promises being made without the results to back them…
> computers are any better at driving than humans Does it matter though? If it drives like my grandma, I can still do other things while in a car and hate commuting/traffic jams a bit less.
The problem is that all these so-called "self-driving" systems expect you to be alert and ready because at any moment they might decide that the human needs to be in control again.
So you can't do other things while in the car.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
#365What was with the "STOP" at the top of the screen blinking randomly even when the car wasn't at a stop nor at a place where it should stop? This doesn't really inspire too much confidence, IMO. It makes me think their FSD efforts are on par with their autopilot implementation.
It looks like that just shows up any time a stop sign is anywhere in view of that camera, not that it's actively stopping.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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> There's no evidence that computers are any better at driving than humans Yes, there is. You can debate the exact figures/circumstances, but the numbers are good, and improving all the time. Humans are just not very good at guiding tons of metal around at high speeds, which isn't very surprising when you think about it. One accident for every 4.34 million miles is already pretty good (compared to 500k miles for huma…
> Yes these quarterly numbers are in the best conditions and supervised, no that doesn't invalidate them... That is exactly what it does: it invalidates them. Comparing apples to oranges is an invalid comparison. Let's compare the numbers again when there's sufficient data for self-driving tech driving in all environmental conditions without supervision and without human assistance jumping in whenever it gets rough.…
It's not apples to oranges. If a human interferes then a human is now driving. That human has a worse record of non accidents than the computer. Ergo, that human is making the driving record worse not better.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
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Most of what is happening on that video appears to be a human controlling the vehicle, the overlay is just what the computer sees. In current public releases autopilot only warns you that it thinks you are going to run a red light / stop sign. And it is up for the human driver to actually stop. So, unless its on some beta release it was probably a human that rolled through it.
> warns you that it thinks you are going to run a red light / stop sign I need this feature, and I would prefer this to full autonomous driving. A computer that warns you when you're about to make a mistake is achievable today and will increase safety for everyone.
I was in a Honda Stepwagn last week and that one recognised stop signs and clearly displayed it.
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes these quarterly numbers are in the best conditions and supervised, no that doesn't invalidate them... That is exactly what it does: it invalidates them. Comparing apples to oranges is an invalid comparison. Let's compare the numbers again when there's sufficient data for self-driving tech driving in all environmental conditions without supervision and without human assistance jumping in whenever it gets rough.…
Are computers better than the best human drivers in all circumstances? No, maybe they never will be, but that doesn't matter. Are they better than average humans in average conditions already? Yes. They don't need to be all powerful AGI which can replace humans in all circumstances to be useful and save lives.
As someone who works in insurance, I can tell you that the vast majority of accidents occur in adverse conditions.
Creating an AI that only functions on dry sunny days is basically useless from a safety perspective.
...though it does save people time since they can be doing something else while in transit!
Re: Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video]
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There's no evidence that computers are any better at driving than humans That's a vacuous statement. Evidence would be a deployed self-driving fleet. At which point it would be mission accomplished and we wouldn't be discussing this. Now if you want theoretical considerations instead of evidence, then consider the lower reaction times of machines.
> then consider the lower reaction times of machines Meanwhile, Teslas run into the backs of car carriers because they only recognise the car it's carrying and not the truck bed extending behind it. It might react faster, but it needs to identify the danger first and up until now, it's much worse at that in many situations. Yes, you're right, once it's safer, it's safer. That makes your statements just as vacuous as…
Don't fear monger.
"Teslas" do not "run into the backs of car carriers".
I don't know where you are repeating that from, because you've clearly never driven one, but the core concept of autopilot is that the human should step in whenever a situation is confusing and/or dangerous. If the car does not recognize a situation it will always alert the driver to take over.
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You are right and wrong and the same time. By quoting an average, assuming those numbers hold when scaled up, you are compressing the actual distribution into a single number. Overall that high-level number may be correct. But at the same time, the kinds of people that get into accidents will be a different distribution. How you drive factors a lot into how likely you are into getting in an accident, even allowing fo…
Sure, there are various inadequacies in the data, Tesla is clearly not an unbiased source (though there has been some verification from gov agencies), but I think the rapidly decreasing accident rate is significant (even when compared to the same car without those features), and we'll see numbers continue to improve over time. Most people are simply not careful drivers all the time. This is one major advantage comput…
Would you accept a higher risk of accident for you and your children, if it meant that an order of magnitude more other bad drivers would be saved?
Also keep in mind the outrage factor. The reason airplane crashes are so feared is because of the loss of control. Meanwhile alcohol and cars are much more dangerous but much lower outrage because you still feel like you have some control.