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Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by mulmen »

sschueller wrote: post #38
tallanvor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a 737-800. The first ones entered service in 1998 and around 5000 of them have been delivered since then. Comparing this aircraft to the 737 MAX is stupid.

My take away from the whole 737 MAX incidents is that the technical shortcomings on the 737 MAX is from Boeing's gross mismanagement and too close relationship with the FAA. It was all profits over safety and regulations. Can you really guarantee that this has not affected other aircraft or their maintenance?

Guarantee? No. But you have oversimplified the cause of the 737-MAX crashes. You have also ignored the safety record of 7,000+ examples over 23 years.

It is unlikely to be a design issue, that should have come out a long time ago. Having said that it is simply too early for anyone to know what happened here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_Next_Generation

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by dilyevsky »

shuckles wrote: post #47
sparkling wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fire in the engine is not enough to turn a 737 into a huge burning fireball that crashes within 20 seconds. Regarding the missile theory: if it was a missle, it was probably accidential. The majority of passengers on board were Iranian citizens.

Remember Stuxnet?

Pretty sure russian/chinese SAMs don’t run windows

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by hnarn »

dirtyid wrote: post #56

Engine failure, not missile, caused crash of Ukrainian airliner in Iran: Ukrainian embassy [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-engine/engine-... The fallout / propaganda from this is certainly going to be interesting. Either Iranian air defense / Russian arms is unreliable or another nail in the coffin for Boeing. I wonder what's Ukraine's angle in all this in context of Trump drama. Is this an deescala…

Wow, that's a quick investigation by the Ukrainian embassy /s

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by sschueller »

frogger23124 wrote: post #59
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This model has been around since 1998. You have undoubtedly flown on a 737-800 many, many times. They are incredibly safe airplanes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...

Yes. The 737-800 is a Boeing from a different era. Proper engineering.

But it was built 3 years ago. Does proper engineering prevent future failures if the assembly process becomes flawed at a later time?

For example using cheaper materials, ignoring cracks, not properly training new employees etc.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by actuator »

Does anyone remember how much time it took to nail down the cause of MH17 crash?

If memory serves me right, during the MH17 shoot down over Ukraine it was established quite early that it was a work of a surface to air missile launched by rebels.

If Iran did really shoot down the plane by mistake, can they cover it up by not giving access to the debris?

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by Majestic121 »

techie128 wrote: post #30
xster wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

Don't you think it should take them at least a few days to determine a preliminary cause of the crash?

It would take everyone a few days to determine the cause, especially the people spreading unverified informations such as 'it was shot down by a missile'

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Post by t0mas88 »

akkawwakka wrote: post #19

It’s being reported there was an “engine failure”. I’d assume that engine failure and fire detection systems are pretty good, not to mention that pilots train on engine fires/failure and single engine procedures regularly. Are there situations where pulling the fire handle to extinguish a fire or shutting down an engine wouldn’t be adequate to alleviate some sort of grave failure?

Not really on an engine failure, and we have two fire extinguishers per engine so if it doesn't work the first time you can pull the second one.

Of course if you have a whole wing on fire pulling the engine fire extinguisher isn't going to help much. Luckily that doesn't really happen.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by jcaprani »

Gigablah wrote: post #79
jcaprani wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the reputable journalists at BuzzFeed?

No, the reputable journalists at BuzzFeed News , which has produced two Pulitzer Prize finalists so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed_News

I think you mean activists rather than journalists.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by est »

sparkling wrote: post #28
xster wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

A fire in the engine is not enough to turn a 737 into a huge burning fireball that crashes within 20 seconds. Regarding the missile theory: if it was a missle, it was probably accidential. The majority of passengers on board were Iranian citizens.

> turn a 737 into a huge burning fireball

From a suggested twitter video. No affirmative source yet.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by Aeolun »

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569

Is there a reason a flights transponder data would just suddenly cut off in the middle of the air in case of engine failure? Maybe really explosive engine failure?

I recall seeing the full history (right up until the plane hits the ground), in other cases of airplane crashes.

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