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Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by t0mas88 »

echelon wrote: post #12

(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

That's also what an engine fire / turbine stall looks like. However, a 737 is able to climb on one engine so there was absolutely more wrong than "just" en engine failure/fire.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by [deleted] »

tempsy wrote: post #24
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #15

A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

It’s already been reported that it was accidentally shot down.

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

sschueller wrote: post #45
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #15

A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues. It feels deeply implausible that this airplane would simply crash due to mechanical issues two minutes after taking off from Tehran just hours after Iran retaliated against the United States's assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, but then again there was also an earthquake in Iran just a few hours ago, so I guess maybe these things ju…

"A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues." That is what we heard after the first 737-Max crash as well. Then came another one and the same line was spewed all over.

This model has been around since 1998. You have undoubtedly flown on a 737-800 many, many times. They are incredibly safe airplanes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...

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Post by vecter »

rococode wrote: post #42
echelon wrote: post #12

(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

Edit: Never mind! I commented about a tweet that suggested the fireball was maybe a missle but it looks like people who know better agree that's not the case

No way that's true. Missiles are generally pretty small. That fire in the air was BIG, and was lit in the way that a fireball is, not the way that a missile burns.

Also, missiles travel incredibly fast, way faster than that fireball is going.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by dirtyid »

Engine failure, not missile, caused crash of Ukrainian airliner in Iran: Ukrainian embassy

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-engine/engine-...

The fallout / propaganda from this is certainly going to be interesting. Either Iranian air defense / Russian arms is unreliable or another nail in the coffin for Boeing. I wonder what's Ukraine's angle in all this in context of Trump drama. Is this an deescalation signal (at the request of whom?) or are they trying to burn Trump / Boeing. The amount of intersecting interest is staggering.

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Post by saberdancer »

rococode wrote: post #42
echelon wrote: post #12

(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

Edit: Never mind! I commented about a tweet that suggested the fireball was maybe a missle but it looks like people who know better agree that's not the case

Interesting idea but I don't think it's true. Unless I am missing something, the "plane dot" is at or almost at horizon level. After the explosion you can see that at the position of the "dot" is something that looks like a building or a tower. Light from that could be the dot that we saw.

Another thing is that the "fireball" seems to be losing parts, I'm not sure if missile trails leave puffs of flames behind, but this one looks like it did. Having flaming pieces fall off from a plane would look like that.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by jcaprani »

iso947 wrote: post #20
echelon wrote: post #12

(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

Unverified video There’s a lot of disinformation going on online. We saw this in the recent UK election, there are many players wanting to spread lies. I just hope our reputable journalists are up to the job. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/janelytvynenko/false-an...

You mean the reputable journalists at BuzzFeed?

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by frogger23124 »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #53
sschueller wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A three year old Boeing 737-800, which does not have any known safety issues." That is what we heard after the first 737-Max crash as well. Then came another one and the same line was spewed all over.

This model has been around since 1998. You have undoubtedly flown on a 737-800 many, many times. They are incredibly safe airplanes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...

Yes. The 737-800 is a Boeing from a different era. Proper engineering.

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Post by ianleeclark »

ryeights wrote: post #39
sparkling wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't point fingers at anyone, but: - A 3-year old 737 operated by a reputable airline does not just turn into a huge fireball mid-air and crash like a rock like we see it in the video: https://youtu.be/xRc31DTStwA - It just doesn't happen. - Iran declaring it a "technical error" just hours after the crash is dubious/untrustworthy to say the least. We need a indepedend aviation agency to look at the case, investiga…

I will—-Iran has a history of supporting terrorist groups and activities, and this is no different...

To be fair, the USA has higher rates of shooting down passenger planes in Iranian airspace, so we should probably chill and wait for actual investigations to be done.
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