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Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

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Not related to the Iran-US conflict, it seems.

There was been zero independent investigation yet from the aircraft manufacturer, a reputable aviation agency and/or the carrier. Iran declaring it a "technical defect" after just a few hours is not enough to rule out a accidental missile shoot or similar.

It seem likely that negotiating Boeing's involvement is going to be tense, with things as they are right now.

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#72
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

Pilot should be able to communicate even if engine is on fire (especially then). Transponder doesn't suddenly stop working if your engine erupts in flames.

Aviate, navigate, communicate.

They would have been rather occupied with the first two.

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(Edit: We don't know what caused this incident. Speculation follows. It's best to not form conclusions until the experts examine the evidence.) It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth. Video taken during the crash, the plane is clearly engulfed in flames: https://mobile.twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/121475622529397... Video of the aftermath /…

Unverified video There’s a lot of disinformation going on online. We saw this in the recent UK election, there are many players wanting to spread lies. I just hope our reputable journalists are up to the job. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/janelytvynenko/false-an...

> Unverified video

Well, checkout other videos of the twitter user for more.

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#74
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unverified video There’s a lot of disinformation going on online. We saw this in the recent UK election, there are many players wanting to spread lies. I just hope our reputable journalists are up to the job. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/janelytvynenko/false-an...

You mean the reputable journalists at BuzzFeed?

Apparently they’ve evolved quite a bit: https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/chris-hamby-buzzfeed-news

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#75
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

Don't you think it should take them at least a few days to determine a preliminary cause of the crash?

The Ukranian embassy in Tehran already have a statement on their website saying it's an engine malfunction and are ruling out a terrorist/rocket attack (reported by CNN and NYT).

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#76
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to be conclusive with that video. Iran's own state media says the engine was on fire. Not necessarily contradicted by the video. https://en.irna.ir/news/83625750/147-Iranians-32-foreigners-...

Don't you think it should take them at least a few days to determine a preliminary cause of the crash?

An independent investigation is impossible in the current environment. You either choose to believe Iran or not.

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#77
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Could be e.g. the Iranian's shooting iit down due to hairline trigger Iranian defense (or otherwise a mistake identifying the civilian aircraft as enemy aircraft) - in this case, I would say it IS related to the conflict, even though it is entirely on one side.

Given how many other aircraft depart tehran on that same route to the northwest that would be a massive error given how close it is to the airport.

Yeah. But this was the very first morning flight at 5:15 AM this day, and possibly end of shift of a trigger-happy revolutionary guard in high alert. Massive error very likely. And very unlikely that it will be actually solved.

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Pilot should be able to communicate even if engine is on fire (especially then). Transponder doesn't suddenly stop working if your engine erupts in flames.

Aviate, navigate, communicate. They would have been rather occupied with the first two.

Good point. I concede. I'd still expect them to declare an emergency but it's possible that the event was so catastrophic they didn't find the time.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unverified video There’s a lot of disinformation going on online. We saw this in the recent UK election, there are many players wanting to spread lies. I just hope our reputable journalists are up to the job. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/janelytvynenko/false-an...

You mean the reputable journalists at BuzzFeed?

No, the reputable journalists at BuzzFeed News, which has produced two Pulitzer Prize finalists so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed_News

Re: Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on board

#80

Happening hours after Iran's strike against bases in Iraq raises the obvious question: is this in any way related to the strikes or a coincidence? I'm guessing it'll be at least a few months before we hear about the why but I wonder if there will be additional focus on it due to the recent tensions.

We still haven't really agreed on who shot down MH17. It'll be quite a while before the truth gets out - if it ever does.
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