Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

Post by MiroF » Sat, Jan 04, 2020, 11:39 PM UTC

kortilla wrote: post #258

kumarski wrote: post #49

3 things that are noticeable about black people in America. * They weren't really allowed viable property access until the last 50 years or so. 100's of years of catch up to make up for. * Accumulating disadvantage of fatherless and motherless households. * The blast radius of municipal violations disproportionately afflicts black people in the USA. Not saying I like these things, but they're core problems.

> They weren't really allowed viable property access until the last 50 years or so. 100's of years of catch up to make up for. You don’t need property ownership to have a decent upbringing. It does mean there isn’t a lot of generational wealth to go around, but that’s no longer specific to being black because it applies to huge swaths of the population.

Post by MiroF » Sat, Jan 04, 2020, 11:43 PM UTC

trentnix wrote: post #159

jenkins6g wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, but as a black man who grew up fatherless be mindful why black fathers are absent. Many times it's not by choice. There were and still are intentional systems in place to make it difficult for fathers to get jobs, stay within the prison system, and have access to quality education. I urge people commenting to ask their black friends for their insights. I came from an inner city and graduated from CMU. The two…

I struggle to buy this line of thinking that, somehow, the epidemic of single-parent (and no parent) households among blacks (or any ethnic or economic group) is the consequence of discriminatory systems or conspiracy or racism. Such systems of discrimination surely aren't more powerful now than when the government was enforcing Jim Crow, when schools were segregated by force, when the Ku Klux Klan was not only activ…

Post by lostapathy » Sat, Jan 04, 2020, 11:45 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #90

maxaf wrote: post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

And many Black fathers are “absent” because they are incarcerated because of the “War on Drugs”. Study after study shows that minorities are given longer sentences and even stopped more than non minorities. When drugs were affecting the “inner city” it was all about “being tough on crime”. When it started affecting “middle America” it became about “treating drug abuse as a disease” and “increasing social services.”

Post by kortilla » Sat, Jan 04, 2020, 11:46 PM UTC

wayoutthere wrote: post #168

ausjke wrote: post #108

Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups, as other minority groups can succeed in USA without much troubles. I thought about adopting a black boy for a while, I may still do that, I want to help, but don't know how to do it, the gap is just too wide to connect for me somehow.

> Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups lol, I stopped reading here. Go read some du Bois and listen to some Jazz. Black culture is American culture. They've been here longer than most whites (the great European migration happened right around the time the slave trade ended and that's not coincidental).

Post by ThrowawayR2 » Sat, Jan 04, 2020, 11:58 PM UTC

aaomidi wrote: post #144

ausjke wrote: post #108

Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups, as other minority groups can succeed in USA without much troubles. I thought about adopting a black boy for a while, I may still do that, I want to help, but don't know how to do it, the gap is just too wide to connect for me somehow.

Yes because they didn't immigrate. They were ripped from their homes.