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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by Nerdfest »

haecceity wrote: post #64
robmiller wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically, I understand a 1968 law put into effect the Man in the House rule. Black families had to decide if welfare would pay better than the father's job. Many left the house so the mother and child(ren) could receive the welfare payment. The Moe Factz podcast has been helpful to me in understanding these structural problems in society. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Man-in-the-Ho... http://www.…

What was the justification for this rule? It almost seems intentionally malicious.

I'm guessing the justification was intentional maliciousness.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by fwip »

datashow wrote: post #78
jenkins6g wrote: post #30

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Agreed, but as a black man who grew up fatherless be mindful why black fathers are absent. Many times it's not by choice. There were and still are intentional systems in place to make it difficult for fathers to get jobs, stay within the prison system, and have access to quality education. I urge people commenting to ask their black friends for their insights. I came from an inner city and graduated from CMU. The two…

I just happened to read a story where an Asian was killed while two blacks trying to steal laptop from him https://abc7news.com/5811847 The story mentioned one suspect's sister saying " I have 4 kids and no daddy in their lives ". I simply can't understand this. One kid , I can understand. But four? ... Four (Add: non has daddy present)? I just have too many questions. Add: I interpreted "no daddy in their lives" as…

You can't understand someone having four kids?

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by krapp »

brenden2 wrote: post #5

Probably applies to all children, not just those with specific genetic attributes.

Race as a social and political construct is what is being discussed here.

Genetics is only relevant to the degree that it provides a visual heuristic in skin color by which the construct of race is applied and enforced.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by robmiller »

ScottBurson wrote: post #65
robmiller wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically, I understand a 1968 law put into effect the Man in the House rule. Black families had to decide if welfare would pay better than the father's job. Many left the house so the mother and child(ren) could receive the welfare payment. The Moe Factz podcast has been helpful to me in understanding these structural problems in society. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Man-in-the-Ho... http://www.…

According to your first link, the rule had been in place in some jurisdictions prior to 1968, but was struck down by the US Supreme Court at that time.

I'm at the end of my knowledge on the issue. Someone else will need to weigh in.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by JshWright »

Causality1 wrote: post #63
sidlls wrote: post #54

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A big reason for the absence of black fathers is institutional white racism.

The percentage of African-American children in single-parent homes went from 20% in 1960 to 65% in 2017. Is institutional white racism worse now than it was sixty years ago?

Yes.

You know what else happened in that time? The War on Drugs.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by Noumenon72 »

jmull wrote: post #35
brenden2 wrote: post #5

Probably applies to all children, not just those with specific genetic attributes.

Of course that's true. In fact, it's obvious enough that we can be fairly sure the author knows this too. I could just tell you why I think this article is focused as it is, but I think it will be a lot more useful if I challenge you. So: why do you think this article is titled and focused as it is on black boys?

What it made me think of is how I see people being an extra level of harsh with black boys who run at the swimming pool or talk at the library. To me it seems like authority figures fear them getting out of control, think they only respond to discipline, or have had enough problems before that they crack down hard. I think I would respond more rebelliously to that approach myself.

I'm not saying black boys would respond the same way whites do if they were accommodated the way whites are, but pure discipline doesn't seem helpful.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by cm2012 »

tpmx wrote: post #59
cm2012 wrote: post #55

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Roughly 1 in 9 black men between 20-34 are currently incarcerated (11%). It's probably a much higher percentage that have been incarcerated in the last 3 years. https://images.app.goo.gl/YkRnZyqdV4M5dSC19

1. That's an insanely large part of that population. 2. 11% still doesn't go a long way in explaining the "fatherless issue", although we probably need firm numbers on that too.

"For boys born in 2001, the lifetime probability of incarceration is estimated to be 32 percent for young black men."

That's absolutely enough to tilt the data significantly.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/mass-incarceration-statis...

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by Consultant32452 »

ScottBurson wrote: post #65
robmiller wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically, I understand a 1968 law put into effect the Man in the House rule. Black families had to decide if welfare would pay better than the father's job. Many left the house so the mother and child(ren) could receive the welfare payment. The Moe Factz podcast has been helpful to me in understanding these structural problems in society. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Man-in-the-Ho... http://www.…

According to your first link, the rule had been in place in some jurisdictions prior to 1968, but was struck down by the US Supreme Court at that time.

Such systems exist today, at least in Alaska. The GRA is only available to single parents. https://singlemothersgrants.org/single-mothers-assistance-in...

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by scarface74 »

maxaf wrote: post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

And many Black fathers are “absent” because they are incarcerated because of the “War on Drugs”. Study after study shows that minorities are given longer sentences and even stopped more than non minorities.

When drugs were affecting the “inner city” it was all about “being tough on crime”. When it started affecting “middle America” it became about “treating drug abuse as a disease” and “increasing social services.”

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