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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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wjn0 wrote: post #73
zchrykng wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

> higher crime rates Source? Everything I've read suggests that crime rates are pretty much the same across race and ethnicity when controlling for economic status. The primary variable is contact with the justice system, i.e. getting caught.

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by crimsonalucard »

xenihn wrote: post #215
crimsonalucard wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why a lot of asians have this racial inferiority complex. I (being asian myself) grew up in an affluent asian dominated neighborhood of Cupertino. I had black, white and asian friends growing up and I never thought too much of racial issues. Maybe because in my schools asian americans were largely the majority. Again, I had the same experience going to school at UCLA which was largely populated mostly by asi…

This post reads like it was copied from /r/asianmasculinity

Didn't even know that channel existed. Man, shakes head.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by gjs278 »

dang wrote: post #201
maxaf wrote: post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

There's a legitimate point here but if you introduce it with snarky one-liners like "Or, you know, fathers", you damage both the conversation and the community. Please don't do that. Instead, please follow the site guidelines, which include: " Don't be snarky. " " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

there’s legitimate ways to moderate and copy pasting your condescending bullshit isn’t one of them. please don’t do that.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by JshWright »

throwno wrote: post #193
JshWright wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crimes are indeed crimes. The problem is, whites and blacks use drugs at similar rates, but blacks are significantly more likely to be arrested. Based on your comment, it seems like you haven't done much independent reading on this topic... Here's a place to start: https://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war-on-drugs-racist-min...

> whites and blacks use drugs at similar rates Not really though. From the primary source for marijuana: MORE THAN 100 DAYS OF USE IN PAST 12 MONTHS white: 4.5% black: 6.1% Now for coke: MORE THAN 100 DAYS OF USE IN PAST 12 MONTHS white: 0.1 black: 0.3 Now for crack: MORE THAN 100 DAYS OF USE IN PAST 12 MONTHS white: 0.0 black: 0.3 Ok, ok, how about heroin? We know those white boys just can't get enough smack right?…

In which case is it 3.6x higher?

The most common drug people get arrested for is marijuana, and the difference in use (even by your chosen metric) is nowhere near 3.6x.

The only drug where you can make an argument even approaching 3.6x is crack, which is a relatively small percentage of arrests.

I also note you omitted the "stimulant" category (which in the 2011 dataset covered methamphetamine).

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by gjs278 »

wayoutthere wrote: post #213
giardini wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its called "sarcasm".

Sarcastic racism is still racism. It perpetuates the hateful stereotypes without claiming them, which almost seems worse. I stopped being sarcastic in general when a friend pointed out that it's usually based in some form of hatred -- whether of yourself or someone else.

oh no! we wouldn’t want to offend the 2% of the population with all the money.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by umvi »

bsanr2 wrote: post #169

As much as HN's readers need to see articles like this, I don't know if the sophistication levels on this topic are high enough to handle the discussion that's ensued. "Or, you know, fathers," is a... disappointing take, to say the least.

An equally disappointing take for me is the whole "the system is to blame" angle where nobody is ever responsible for their own actions. i.e. "free will doesn't exist; you would have made the exact same decision had you been subject to the same pressures"

Yes, "the system" plays a role, but it's dangerous to make it the sole scapegoat. I like the idea of mentorship because it aims to change individuals, not just blame the system.

Black boys could break free from the cycle, if they had the knowledge and know how. And they can get that knowledge and know how by following the examples of mentors who are not trapped.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by mlyle »

jpster wrote: post #174
ausjke wrote: post #108

Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups, as other minority groups can succeed in USA without much troubles. I thought about adopting a black boy for a while, I may still do that, I want to help, but don't know how to do it, the gap is just too wide to connect for me somehow.

> Black community does not have a solid culture and tradition comparing to other immigration minority groups Just curious, what evidence do you think you have for this claim?

I think it's very poorly articulated.

It may be more accurate to say that the net result of hundreds of year of policy has conspired to concentrate and grow aspects of culture that create net, lasting disadvantages.

It's likely not enough to fix the discrimination itself now, or even to provide an economic hand up. Maybe some things that were adaptive / natural reactions under discrimination are now maladaptive and harmful.

Worse, the maladaptive behavior helps perpetuate the discrimination and bias.

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Post by crimsonalucard »

KoftaBob wrote: post #220
crimsonalucard wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why a lot of asians have this racial inferiority complex. I (being asian myself) grew up in an affluent asian dominated neighborhood of Cupertino. I had black, white and asian friends growing up and I never thought too much of racial issues. Maybe because in my schools asian americans were largely the majority. Again, I had the same experience going to school at UCLA which was largely populated mostly by asi…

I've never understood this argument regarding dating outside of one's ethnic group. The effects of actual racism is one ethnic group benefits at the expense of one or more other groups. What you're describing is something else entirely. Who's getting harmed when Asian women have a preference for white men when dating? Who cares? To each their own, no? Are you implying there's some maximum percentage of women that can…

It is problematic to asians as a whole. It's pretty obvious when asians discriminate their own race and view white people as superior. There's really no argument for you here.

Definitely not problematic to white males who are dating asian females though.

Honestly, among white guys it manifests itself as Asian women being "easier" and there's nothing wrong or racist for taking advantage of it, but it definitely won't appear to be a problem from your perspective even though something deeply wrong is happening.

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Post by scabarott »

mmsimanga wrote: post #130

I can't read the article seems have suffered HN effect. Speaking as a black man in Africa which is somewhat different to the US I do agree with the title. Africa is different because the first educated generation is my parents generation who are 70+. Off course they are exceptions. My parents who were teachers coming from pure village setup didn't have any mentors. No one explained mortgage to them, they learnt that…

Your grandparents may not have been able to teach your parents about mortgages, taxes etc. but they were able to teach them about discipline, conscientiousness, hardwork, thrift etc. These count for something. This situation is not unique to Africa, there are (white) Americans (especially from poorer places like Appalachia or even just outside of the big coastal cities) who don't grow up familiar with credit cards, venture capital or the notion of going to college etc. and have to figure these out for themselves as adults (see for e.g 'Hillbilly Elegy or 'Educated' by Tara Westover). Of course they're not quite in the same bucket but my point is there are age old 'qualities' that can go a long way to help make up for lack of specific knowledge.

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Post by m0zg »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #195
fersho311 wrote: post #106

About me: I'm asian, 32 years old. Throughout my childhood, I always thought Black people seemed so cool and funny. They exude confidence and it intimidated my to make friends with them. Now I teach people coding before and after my work as a full time software engineer. A few of my students are black. I had a hard time working with them. Later, as I became friends with them, I realized they are very self conscious a…

I wonder why a lot of asians have this racial inferiority complex. I (being asian myself) grew up in an affluent asian dominated neighborhood of Cupertino. I had black, white and asian friends growing up and I never thought too much of racial issues. Maybe because in my schools asian americans were largely the majority. Again, I had the same experience going to school at UCLA which was largely populated mostly by asi…

>> females view their own race as too inferior and too weak to date

Facepalm. Even a moderately good looking Asian female (and there are lots of them) would not have any problems finding good dates IMO, especially among well-to-do tech types.

Though this is typical: people are afraid of things and they absolve themselves of the potential failure by not even trying, because it's very easy to convince yourself that you're "disadvantaged", even if in reality the opposite is true.

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