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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by vijaybritto »

deepGem wrote: post #28
pm90 wrote: post #18

This is extremely bad but also completely expected. Concrete promises of economic growth are hard to deliver on, so the Politicians will focus on inciting religious differences instead.

This is beyond bad. The government has slowly inched to their religions roots and have made religious segregation their primary mandate. I mean, at this rate, we will be no different from Saudi Arabia or other countries where religion dominates all policy decisions. I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especia…

"I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS"

Modi is a mass murderer(Gujarat 2002). He thrives in Hindu Muslim conflict. Just as expected he has started talking like "You can figure out the rioters from their dresses"(meaning muslims). He is one of the most evil people on earth and runs his image using a massive PR effort. Everything is managed. From media to bollywood. His aid Amit Shah is just as evil as him. With those two running the country now its insanely dangerous for the minorities

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Post by thewhitetulip »

sbmthakur wrote: post #121
smt1 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sectarian conflict isn't religious persecution? Most of the other religious minorities, just like Ahmadis and some Shia groups are persecuted via the same Pakistan's blasphemy laws.

Yes, it's not same and is something akin to India's caste discrimination. Besides, it complicates things. Tomorrow, what if the Pakistani state declares Wahabis and Salafists as non-Islamic? Do we pass an amendment to accommodate them too?

What do you think Religious persecution is? Ahmedis have been declared non Muslims and are being prosecuted. This is the definition of religious prosecution

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by vijaybritto »

anovikov wrote: post #55
_bxg1 wrote: post #52

Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?

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In india nearly 50% of the population is illiterate and even more are incredibly poor. If these people are expected to produce certificates of birth and others its just impossible for them. This NAA law is not about immigration its about stripping voting rights from a huge chunk of muslims and reducing their population from 200Million

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Post by thewhitetulip »

yumraj wrote: post #77
mlnj wrote: post #66

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If Muslims are not persecuted in similar ways why not open the refugee status to such cases if they may arise? Why bar them on basis of religion?

Because India was partioned in 1947 on religious basis. Pak and Bangladesh, which are Islamic countries, can take care of Islamic refugees.

If India was "Partitioned on religious basis", why do you think India is not a Hindu Rashtra since 1947?

Partition was unfortunate, but the constitution says that India is a secular socialist Republic, so your point is null and void

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Post by thewhitetulip »

sbmthakur wrote: post #150
mlnj wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a Muslim wishes to reject the teachings of Islam and live a life free of Islam, how would India help them? Ex-Muslims are murdered all the time in Islamic countries. The persecution is religious and the person is of a Muslim origin. Go on.

> If a Muslim wishes to reject the teachings of Islam and live a life free of Islam, Interesting scenario. Doesn't that make the person an atheist? The constitution of India doesn't recognize them, unfortunately. I would push for their inclusion once the constitution recognizes atheism.

Constitution recognises Hindu religion. Hindu religion recognises atheism (Nastik).

Null and void

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Post by vijaybritto »

nilsocket wrote: post #134
mlnj wrote: post #131

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Your statement goes completely against Indian election results. Re-electing somebody with such a huge majority clearly states, people of India are happy with present government. Don't put up your propaganda as voice Indians. Being an Indian, I'm very happy with BJP, and I'm not Hindu.

We know you are a Hindu, you are a brahmin and you support BJP. Please don't try the IT Cell tactics here. This election was through EVMs not through people

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by thewhitetulip »

sbmthakur wrote: post #108
Scipio_Afri wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a really misinformed comment. Why would the protests be occurring most strongly in predominately Muslim areas? This is backed up by numerous international media reports, including comments from people who are protesting. "NEW DELHI—Protests against a new citizenship law favoring non-Muslim immigrants erupted in violence in a Muslim-dominated part of the Indian capital where communal tensions have flar…

You forgot one important detail. All those three countries have Islam as their state religion and Muslims are unlikely to be persecuted there on religious grounds. And while Police action on Jamia students is condemnable, it must be noted that protestors did get violent and the Police had to resort to strong measures as a response.

And yet no FIR was launched at Jamia students. All 10 arrested were from nearby areas and not students.

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Post by FpUser »

yumraj wrote: post #54
FpUser wrote: post #29

This is disgusting and I feel it is a crime. Freedom is of the most precious things living humans have. So maybe progressive part of the world will wake the f.. up and apply some pressure.

Freedom in their own country, not in someone else's country. This is for illegal immigrants. No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.

Sorry but in this particular case the authorities went back as far as 5 decades. What kind of moral abomination is that. If they were fine with the persons living in country for few years than leave them alone. Instead they're asking them to prove their citizenship after the decades had passed and few in those places have any documents at all. Knowing very well that they can not really deport them anywhere they instead determined to put them in the concentration camps forever. I have some proper words for such actions but I am afraid I'll be banned if I spill it.

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Post by pjc50 »

anovikov wrote: post #55
_bxg1 wrote: post #52

Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?

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> yes shooting on sight those trying to illegally cross is 100% OK

I'm old enough to remember the Berlin Wall and its extension across Eastern Europe, where the willingness to murder civilians who tried to cross it was regarded as an indicator of how totalitarian Communism was.

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Post by quantummkv »

vijaybritto wrote: post #165
quantummkv wrote: post #89

> For a government which has attained a historical majority for the second time, just imagine the impact they can have if they focussed this energy on improving economic and human-life indicators instead. The government in its election pitch made this one of the major points that they would execute if they came to power. So please don't be under the assumption that the people that voted don't want this to be implemen…

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