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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Post by rurp »

desdiv wrote: post #42
routerhash wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With NCR everyone will have to prove citizenship(probably, govt hasn't given any clarification regarding this) regardless of the religion. CAB bill doesn't immediately give citizenship to non Muslims in India. It specifically states that its for people from those three countries. The people who is living in India who is not from these countries regardless of religion will be declared illegal immigrant(again, not clar…

>With NCR everyone will have to prove citizenship(probably, govt hasn't given any clarification regarding this) regardless of the religion. In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread. -Anatole France

Heh, this reminds me of the dumb anti-gay marriage refrain that goes something like, "Gay people aren't discriminated against, they can marry anyone of the opposite sex that they want, just like the rest of us!" It's depressing that so many people think that's a good argument when it reinforces their bigotry.

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Post by xenocyon »

I grew up in India and cherish where I came from, but the recent hard lurches towards a fascist ethnostate - often with the enthusiastic support of India's majority (including my family members) - sadden me deeply and make me wonder what the future has in store.

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Post by yumraj »

FpUser wrote: post #29

This is disgusting and I feel it is a crime. Freedom is of the most precious things living humans have. So maybe progressive part of the world will wake the f.. up and apply some pressure.

Freedom in their own country, not in someone else's country.

This is for illegal immigrants.

No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.

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Post by a_t48 »

anovikov wrote: post #55
_bxg1 wrote: post #52

Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?

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One can be for border security but still against wasteful use of money towards it.

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Post by King-Aaron »

_bxg1 wrote: post #52

Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?

Only a (maybe tongue-in-cheek) theory, but perhaps the ruling classes see the writing on the wall in terms of economic/ecological/social collapse, and are starting to make preparations for large scale social unrest?

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Post by yumraj »

casouniquo wrote: post #44

This is bad and I fear that the next thing they are going to do is remove socialist and secular from Preamble which was added in the 42nd amendment in 1976

Secular should never have been there anyway.

India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.

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Post by pavish »

yumraj wrote: post #54
FpUser wrote: post #29

This is disgusting and I feel it is a crime. Freedom is of the most precious things living humans have. So maybe progressive part of the world will wake the f.. up and apply some pressure.

Freedom in their own country, not in someone else's country. This is for illegal immigrants. No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.

Then why would the ruling party express dismay over hindus who were termed as illegal immigrants. They made the process easier, basically providing immediate citizenship for hindus and other minorities, excluding muslims. This is downright unethical and should be regarded as a crime.

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Post by dragonsh »

gagorder wrote: post #47
dragonsh wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be shameful to be an Indian and not to oppose it, this is completely against the idea of India and the foundations of India. Today Gandhi and all the martyrs of Indian freedom struggle must be crying in their graves. India turned into a religious dictatorship with a handful of politicians using divide and rule and slowly peeling the democracy one layer at a time (by draconian laws, infringing human rights, in…

Supreme court scheduled the next hearing on 22 Jan. So this is going the same route as hearing on 370.

I don't understand Indian system so probably my comment should be taken with grain of salt. But this shows that supreme court is not independent enough to preserve attack on democracy even when a fundamental tenet of the constitution is attacked, when the attack is coming from the very people who were suppose to safeguard it i.e. current government. So although there is a separation of powers in a democratic system, it looks like similar to what happens in China, where the courts need to listen to government.

In Democracy like in USA "Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the United States Senate, as stated in the Constitution." So this way president and government of the day can have rules favoring its ideology. In India "The Chief Justice of India and the Judges of the Supreme Court are appointed by the President under clause (2) of Article 124 of the Constitution." In this the president of India is a titular body working on the directions of prime minister and existing government. So in both the system indeed Judiciary appears to be completely independent but seems government has an influence on it. So in China's communist system and democracy like USA and India its only a difference of semantics but the effect is similar. The government of the day can influence the judiciary.

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