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India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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This is extremely bad but also completely expected. Concrete promises of economic growth are hard to deliver on, so the Politicians will focus on inciting religious differences instead.

This is beyond bad. The government has slowly inched to their religions roots and have made religious segregation their primary mandate. I mean, at this rate, we will be no different from Saudi Arabia or other countries where religion dominates all policy decisions. I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especia…

It will be shameful to be an Indian and not to oppose it, this is completely against the idea of India and the foundations of India. Today Gandhi and all the martyrs of Indian freedom struggle must be crying in their graves. India turned into a religious dictatorship with a handful of politicians using divide and rule and slowly peeling the democracy one layer at a time (by draconian laws, infringing human rights, infringing right to protest, and forcefully suppress dissent).

Hopefully sense will prevail and supreme court rule this development as unconstitutional (not so hopeful though, based on recent judgements).

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Yes, the `stripped of citizenship` parts come in later with the NRC (National Register of Citizens). https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/et-explains/is-a-p... Anyone who is not able to prove their citizenship will naturally be declared illegal immigrant and then have an option to apply for citizenship depending on their religion. This applies to anyone who IS NOT a Muslim. Millions of poor and illiterate people…

With NCR everyone will have to prove citizenship(probably, govt hasn't given any clarification regarding this) regardless of the religion. CAB bill doesn't immediately give citizenship to non Muslims in India. It specifically states that its for people from those three countries. The people who is living in India who is not from these countries regardless of religion will be declared illegal immigrant(again, not clar…

>With NCR everyone will have to prove citizenship(probably, govt hasn't given any clarification regarding this) regardless of the religion.

In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.

-Anatole France

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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Expecting citizens to produce proof of their right to exist at a moment's notice is a famous signifier of a police state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_papers,_please If you have a specific reason to suspect and investigate an individual, that's a different matter.

> at a moment's notice That's not a requirement in this case.

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This is beyond bad. The government has slowly inched to their religions roots and have made religious segregation their primary mandate. I mean, at this rate, we will be no different from Saudi Arabia or other countries where religion dominates all policy decisions. I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especia…

It will be shameful to be an Indian and not to oppose it, this is completely against the idea of India and the foundations of India. Today Gandhi and all the martyrs of Indian freedom struggle must be crying in their graves. India turned into a religious dictatorship with a handful of politicians using divide and rule and slowly peeling the democracy one layer at a time (by draconian laws, infringing human rights, in…

Supreme court is in BJP hands.

Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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With NCR everyone will have to prove citizenship(probably, govt hasn't given any clarification regarding this) regardless of the religion. CAB bill doesn't immediately give citizenship to non Muslims in India. It specifically states that its for people from those three countries. The people who is living in India who is not from these countries regardless of religion will be declared illegal immigrant(again, not clar…

> With NCR everyone will have to prove citizenship Why? Why do I need to prove my citizenship at the whim and fancy of government. What is the purpose of this exercise? This exercise in a small state of Assam cost government coffers around 2000 crores. Add to this the cost citizens had to bear in gathering documentary proofs of their forefathers from land revenue offices, the affidavits, court and legal fees, the tim…

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Re: India builds detention camps for up to 1.9M people not on citizens register

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This is beyond bad. The government has slowly inched to their religions roots and have made religious segregation their primary mandate. I mean, at this rate, we will be no different from Saudi Arabia or other countries where religion dominates all policy decisions. I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especia…

It will be shameful to be an Indian and not to oppose it, this is completely against the idea of India and the foundations of India. Today Gandhi and all the martyrs of Indian freedom struggle must be crying in their graves. India turned into a religious dictatorship with a handful of politicians using divide and rule and slowly peeling the democracy one layer at a time (by draconian laws, infringing human rights, in…

Supreme court scheduled the next hearing on 22 Jan. So this is going the same route as hearing on 370.

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It is not the citizen's responsibility to prove he is a citizen, it is the government's responsibility to prove that he isn't. Guilty until proven innocent? How is that fair?

> It is not the citizen's responsibility to prove he is a citizen, it is the government's responsibility to prove that he isn't. > Guilty until proven innocent? How is that fair? By this rationale, couldn't one claim citizenship to any country? When I arrive at a foreign border I don't say, "Allow me entry, I am a citizen, prove otherwise." I understand that further from the border this encroachment is less justified…

Crossing a border and simply existing are very different. One is a very conscious action, and generally people are doing it on their own volition and know there are restrictions to exit and entry.

People simply living in their hometown don’t have a choice.

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People have absolutely no idea what is actually going on and the outrage fuelled (dishonest) media is capitalising on it.

Poor country like India cannot afford to take in hordes of illegal migrants from its neighbours.

BJP is just fulfilling its poll promises clearly described in its election manifesto of both 2014 and 2019.

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People have absolutely no idea what is actually going on and the outrage fuelled (dishonest) media is capitalising on it. Poor country like India cannot afford to take in hordes of illegal migrants from its neighbours. BJP is just fulfilling its poll promises clearly described in its election manifesto of both 2014 and 2019.

Oh they're just fulfilling their promises. That makes it all ok.
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