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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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That's assuming people play games in well-defined shifts. I find it more likely to have 8 users play between 8pm and 11pm and zero users for the rest of the day.

Time zones are a thing.

Latency is, too, especially in things like first person shooters. Someone in LA doesn't want to be using surplus GPUs in NY for Call of Duty.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Yes, it could have been Google's competitor making up these stories so enterprise customers would stop and think before switching, it is also better for competitors's sales to pitch on the potential of a shuttered GCP, which you can tell full well if I was a sales I would be referencing this article. And it wouldn't matter of there wasn't even an ounce of truth there, Google's reputation on future roadmap, communicat…

It’s not Google’s competitor making this story if you look at previous blog and critical comments from last few years you can see, google has internally been struggling on how to get more profit out of Google’s users. Also google PR is launching active campaign to muzzle voice by downvoting critical comments and blogs. Happened yesterday to my comments on HN and might happen to this comment as well. Google used searc…

I would add:

[3] https://whenwillgooglekillgcp.com/

As of: https://twitter.com/killedbygoogle/status/120709103195657830...

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I’ve had a similar experience where I could email PMs and we even had Google forward deployed engineers on-site. The trouble is that their customer service is terrible. We reported numerous issues and there was no tracking at all. For one UI bug in their webapp, a PM completely disregarded the reproduction instructions I gave him and made me have a half-hour kong Hangout with a remote engineer to prove the bug existe…

I had a 4 roundtrip email thread with their support over a speech API bug. Eventually sent them a narrated step-by-step screencast, and the guy is finally like "oh, it's not supposed to work that way." (Yes, that's what I said in e-mail 1!)

4 rt? You got off scot-free! I had several multi-week threads with daily posts for something that should’ve been a p1 bug fix on their end.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I'm astounded that they would seriously consider closing GCP after committing so much time, money, and effort into building it. Every time there's a GCP story on HN commenters say "I won't use it because Google can just pull the plug." I thought this opinion was silly as GCP is the #3 cloud provider in the world, not a free service like Reader. Guess I was wrong, nothing is safe. Google wants #1 or nothing at all.

In my opinion, it's just a consequence of the culture of stack ranking. The only thing that promotes you is if you deliver something. Not supporting something well. Not having an established, loyal customer base. Or, even if you provide good support/bug fixing. It's make something go public. Doesn't matter in what state. It's why I wasn't in the least shocked about Stadia's problems.

Amazon has stack ranking and hasn't fallen into this particular trap. It all depends on what you prioritize and what you reward. At Amazon, I got the sense that it was actually harder to get a promo if you were on a secret new product team. I'd heard younger engineers talk about doing stints in less fashionable departments as the ladders seemed easier to climb.

Google just seems to care about the launch. Not how happy customers are. Not how much money is pulled in. Not how well it fits in with the overall strategic vision of the company. Just launch points.

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> So it's not about being #1, it's about being profitable. The problem Google has with the developer community is largely around the fact that Google has a long history of pulling the rug out from our feet. There have been 3 stories on HN in the past couple weeks alone about Google products which have either been dropped or changed significantly such that they are no longer viable for developers to use. Google has lo…

This is the entire problem. Swap “Google” for “AWS” in the article and you’d have legions of folks calling foul on the article. Instead, most folks are nodding along to the article going “yep, seems like something Google would do all right…” Google’s problem remains its reputation for turning things off.

Another perception is that of killing hierarchies of user accounts / pulling rugs on projects e.g. if links are established between adding someone who once broke the rules and whatever they might be working on now, with no way of reaching someone human for support...

... where one of the few ways of rectifying the situation is to get a top posting on HN in the hope that a Googler will see your plea for help.

I mean, that's probably mainly related to Android dev but I've seen plenty of stories to support that feeling:

E.g. (just a random example) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17431609

My perception might be misguided / influenced by being in a perception bubble, however that is my reality and AWS or AZURE just seems a whole lot safer. So, why should I as a developer invest any time in GC? I did attend a Google dev day re machine learning++ in Melbourne a couple of years ago, and the products seem nice and all, but the competition isn't exactly lagging behind.

My recommendation would be to really address this issue of human support and trust.

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It's so stupid that they've got this reputation now. A lot of the things they've killed could've instead been sold/spun off instead. Shutting down successful services that are not successful enough by Google's standards has given them a bad rep at the same time as destroying value. Reader could've been a successful company on its own for sure, for example. I wasn't a user of it, but there was enough people who loved…

I think google builds stuff in a way where it depends on the google stack. That makes it harder to spin off or sell, as you'd basically have to re-write it.

If only they had their own externally available cloud service where they could dogfood their stuff on and spin-off could be an account transfer.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Googler here. My opinions are my own; I have no non-public knowledge on this topic. I do not understand the hyperbole around this report. Nowhere does it say that Google plans to shutter GCP if it doesn't reach #1 by 2023. > said people with knowledge of the matter. As in, people who may not have even been at said meeting which took place nearly two years ago, under a different VP and now a different CEO, and saw som…

Saying it might lose funding if it doesn't reach this goal is a pretty clear statement of " we may shut it down"

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I agree with the general sentiment. It is staggering that they have spent at least 10s of billions if not > 100b trying to diversify away from ads and still do not have meaningful alternative revenue stream. It is one of the biggest mysteries to me. How is it possible to throw so much money and so many smart people at so many different problems and have no results? Microsoft and Amazon don't seem to have this problem…

Yeah, ads best medium since golden age of tv and it’s not like it’s all strikeouts. They’ve had insanely successful addons: - maps - gmail / google domains / docs - chrome / chrome box / chrome books - Android - YouTube It just seem like the “dream is dead”. Great business though.

All of these (minus google domains) are to bolster their ad business.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Yes, it could have been Google's competitor making up these stories so enterprise customers would stop and think before switching, it is also better for competitors's sales to pitch on the potential of a shuttered GCP, which you can tell full well if I was a sales I would be referencing this article. And it wouldn't matter of there wasn't even an ounce of truth there, Google's reputation on future roadmap, communicat…

It’s not Google’s competitor making this story if you look at previous blog and critical comments from last few years you can see, google has internally been struggling on how to get more profit out of Google’s users. Also google PR is launching active campaign to muzzle voice by downvoting critical comments and blogs. Happened yesterday to my comments on HN and might happen to this comment as well. Google used searc…

>Also google PR is launching active campaign to muzzle voice by downvoting critical comments and blogs. Happened yesterday to my comments on HN and might happen to this comment as well.

Source?

>As google is faltering on revenue in cloud

Source? They don't break this out in earnings so I assume you're just reading tea leaves here?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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> Azure’s technology stack is dreadful. Can you describe what you are referring to here? I've only used AWS a bit but it's been littered with WTFs.

not exclusive to azure as aws lambda requires API gateway now, but if i wanted to create a cloud function, azure auto generates like 2-3 other separate requires services for storage, http endpoint, etc

You do not need an API gateway for an HTTP triggered Azure Function. You do need a storage account, because that's where it stores the files that back your Function.
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