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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Are we talking about the same Oracle Fusion that powers most of the world's corporation's accounting backends today (including Netsuite, which Oracle acquired several years ago)? Because if so, he did a pretty good job of achieving his objective: establishing market dominance in the face of superior competing products. Hiring Kurian is a message to investors that Google is serious[1] about trying to take over the clo…

>> powers most of the world's corporation's accounting backends today Not sure how you come up with this. Is this backed with actual data?

Didn't know about what Oracle Fusion is but wikipedia does claim high adoption.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Fusion_Middleware

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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>> The group even talked about—and eventually dismissed—the idea of leaving the market entirely > That's good enough reason for anyone to get off GCP. I fail to see how this is even a reason to get off GCP, yet a good one.

The fact that it was on the table indicates that it could be on the table again at some point in the future. These are the wrong signals to send.

The fact that it was mentioned in a meeting doesn't mean it was on the table. I'd more concerned with management if they weren't talking about exit points for a risky venture. A perfectly necessary point of consideration and I don't doubt that the same topic came up at Amazon and Microsoft.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Googler here. My opinions are my own; I have no non-public knowledge on this topic. I do not understand the hyperbole around this report. Nowhere does it say that Google plans to shutter GCP if it doesn't reach #1 by 2023. > said people with knowledge of the matter. As in, people who may not have even been at said meeting which took place nearly two years ago, under a different VP and now a different CEO, and saw som…

The article does say that there was a discussion about "exiting the business"; that's sufficiently terrible to be news, even without anyone explicitly talking about shutting it down.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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That's assuming people play games in well-defined shifts. I find it more likely to have 8 users play between 8pm and 11pm and zero users for the rest of the day.

Time zones are a thing.

Games are latency sensitive and thus region sensitive. Multiplexing opportunities here are poor. Stadia is a terrible idea business-wise as Google has defined it.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Amazon have been on HN recently for poor customer service with respect to billing for cloud services: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21694835 Google could potentially win by being the least bad not the best.

Poor customer service is not exclusive to Amazon, google directly shut the product down which cannot earn search scale revenue. If you see comments below being downvoted by google PR for examples. I believe all these large cloud companies be it amazon, google or Microsoft deploy army of PR people and campaigns to downvote or try to remove comments which are critical. Especially I have seen this on HN, earlier when I…

This is the same logic my extended family uses when they tell me that their phones eavesdrop on their conversations to target advertisements. Just because it's possible and fits your narrative doesn't make it true.

No brand or PR team that I've ever been near has the capacity to monitor and then manually downvote this kind of thing, even on major sites, let alone a niche news site like HN. Who has the budget for this?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Googler here. My opinions are my own; I have no non-public knowledge on this topic. I do not understand the hyperbole around this report. Nowhere does it say that Google plans to shutter GCP if it doesn't reach #1 by 2023. > said people with knowledge of the matter. As in, people who may not have even been at said meeting which took place nearly two years ago, under a different VP and now a different CEO, and saw som…

> So it's not about being #1, it's about being profitable. The problem Google has with the developer community is largely around the fact that Google has a long history of pulling the rug out from our feet. There have been 3 stories on HN in the past couple weeks alone about Google products which have either been dropped or changed significantly such that they are no longer viable for developers to use. Google has lo…

This is the entire problem. Swap “Google” for “AWS” in the article and you’d have legions of folks calling foul on the article. Instead, most folks are nodding along to the article going “yep, seems like something Google would do all right…”

Google’s problem remains its reputation for turning things off.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I always see google reader talked about on hackernews, but has a comparable product not have been made by someone else yet?

There are plenty, actually. But RSS itself is essentially dead. At least compared to what it was.

So I just counted my RSS feeds via Live Bookmarks (dang you Firefox for killing them shakes cane) and I have 60+(! I expected like 30 tops) RSS feeds that I check regularly.

Most sites have RSS feeds, even the heavy hitters like YouTube.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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In addition to search I'd say: - Gmail - Android (and Google Play) - Drive - Maps - Chromecast - Google Home - YouTube (+Premium) are super successful.

If the metric for success is revenue then, no, they are not by any sensible measure super successful. Their revenue combined it’s a small fraction of search/ads.

By that standard, practically all other companies are failures, since practically all other companies pale in comparison to Google search. So I would say your claim is absurd.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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That opens them up to a ton of liability (what if something unforeseen happens), for very little gain. I can't imagine any company doing something like that.

The gain is hundreds of millions of dollars of new business that they are currently losing to competitors who don't have a reputation for dropping services.

You just gave the potential upside without highlighting the very real downsides.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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The fact that it was on the table indicates that it could be on the table again at some point in the future. These are the wrong signals to send.

The fact that it was mentioned in a meeting doesn't mean it was on the table. I'd more concerned with management if they weren't talking about exit points for a risky venture. A perfectly necessary point of consideration and I don't doubt that the same topic came up at Amazon and Microsoft.

For Google, if this is still a 'risky venture' then they are simply in the wrong business, they have the scale and should be able to offer their infrastructure at a cost that is quite profitable. There is plenty wrong with Amazon but they have never ever given off signals that they might withdraw their infrastructure offerings from the market. Microsoft also hasn't but then again, they do have a history of launching stuff and withdrawing it again (Xbox the notable exception, that took forever to take off and they stuck with it). Google has taken products off the market not because they weren't profitable but because they weren't profitable enough. That's the nightmare of early infrastructure adopters who will - by that time - be bound hand and feet.

If you're in competition with the likes of Amazon and Microsoft and you intend to go after the same customer profiles then you would do well to ensure that your messaging is what those customers expect and that every outward signal you give is that you're in it for the long haul, with a much longer horizon than the companies that are going to be your customers can oversee so that the trust becomes implicit.

That way if some internal document gets released it doesn't look as though you are still undecided.

Anyway, no need to take my word for this, let's just see how it plays out in the longer term.

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