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Are we talking about the same Oracle Fusion that powers most of the world's corporation's accounting backends today (including Netsuite, which Oracle acquired several years ago)? Because if so, he did a pretty good job of achieving his objective: establishing market dominance in the face of superior competing products. Hiring Kurian is a message to investors that Google is serious[1] about trying to take over the clo…
>> powers most of the world's corporation's accounting backends today Not sure how you come up with this. Is this backed with actual data?
Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud
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>> The group even talked about—and eventually dismissed—the idea of leaving the market entirely > That's good enough reason for anyone to get off GCP. I fail to see how this is even a reason to get off GCP, yet a good one.
The fact that it was on the table indicates that it could be on the table again at some point in the future. These are the wrong signals to send.
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#543Googler here. My opinions are my own; I have no non-public knowledge on this topic. I do not understand the hyperbole around this report. Nowhere does it say that Google plans to shutter GCP if it doesn't reach #1 by 2023. > said people with knowledge of the matter. As in, people who may not have even been at said meeting which took place nearly two years ago, under a different VP and now a different CEO, and saw som…
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That's assuming people play games in well-defined shifts. I find it more likely to have 8 users play between 8pm and 11pm and zero users for the rest of the day.
Time zones are a thing.
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Amazon have been on HN recently for poor customer service with respect to billing for cloud services: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21694835 Google could potentially win by being the least bad not the best.
Poor customer service is not exclusive to Amazon, google directly shut the product down which cannot earn search scale revenue. If you see comments below being downvoted by google PR for examples. I believe all these large cloud companies be it amazon, google or Microsoft deploy army of PR people and campaigns to downvote or try to remove comments which are critical. Especially I have seen this on HN, earlier when I…
No brand or PR team that I've ever been near has the capacity to monitor and then manually downvote this kind of thing, even on major sites, let alone a niche news site like HN. Who has the budget for this?
Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud
#546Googler here. My opinions are my own; I have no non-public knowledge on this topic. I do not understand the hyperbole around this report. Nowhere does it say that Google plans to shutter GCP if it doesn't reach #1 by 2023. > said people with knowledge of the matter. As in, people who may not have even been at said meeting which took place nearly two years ago, under a different VP and now a different CEO, and saw som…
> So it's not about being #1, it's about being profitable. The problem Google has with the developer community is largely around the fact that Google has a long history of pulling the rug out from our feet. There have been 3 stories on HN in the past couple weeks alone about Google products which have either been dropped or changed significantly such that they are no longer viable for developers to use. Google has lo…
Google’s problem remains its reputation for turning things off.
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I always see google reader talked about on hackernews, but has a comparable product not have been made by someone else yet?
There are plenty, actually. But RSS itself is essentially dead. At least compared to what it was.
Most sites have RSS feeds, even the heavy hitters like YouTube.
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In addition to search I'd say: - Gmail - Android (and Google Play) - Drive - Maps - Chromecast - Google Home - YouTube (+Premium) are super successful.
If the metric for success is revenue then, no, they are not by any sensible measure super successful. Their revenue combined it’s a small fraction of search/ads.
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That opens them up to a ton of liability (what if something unforeseen happens), for very little gain. I can't imagine any company doing something like that.
The gain is hundreds of millions of dollars of new business that they are currently losing to competitors who don't have a reputation for dropping services.
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The fact that it was on the table indicates that it could be on the table again at some point in the future. These are the wrong signals to send.
The fact that it was mentioned in a meeting doesn't mean it was on the table. I'd more concerned with management if they weren't talking about exit points for a risky venture. A perfectly necessary point of consideration and I don't doubt that the same topic came up at Amazon and Microsoft.
If you're in competition with the likes of Amazon and Microsoft and you intend to go after the same customer profiles then you would do well to ensure that your messaging is what those customers expect and that every outward signal you give is that you're in it for the long haul, with a much longer horizon than the companies that are going to be your customers can oversee so that the trust becomes implicit.
That way if some internal document gets released it doesn't look as though you are still undecided.
Anyway, no need to take my word for this, let's just see how it plays out in the longer term.