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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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There's also Fork: https://git-fork.com/

I'm really curious - why do people want a graphical git client? The command line exposes everything, and the model is simple and intuitive. I work in a very large monorepo, so it's not like I'm working in a git tree that isn't complicated.

As someone else mentioned here, the graphical merge tool in IDEA is extremely powerful. Plus keyboard shortcuts to all the main Git actions. It's overall more efficient. However I always use Git IDEA + Git CLI side by side.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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>But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth This came about due to a decent amount of consumer backlash, if I r…

A huge part of the backslash actually happened here on HN when they originally proposed the pure (like Adobe and 90% of other companies) SaaS model. So Jetbrains model is an improvement over most other companies but it is not as consumer friendly as the old licensing model. I would love to have the old model back(buy now with 12 months of updates) but that ship has sailed.

Sure, it came about due to backlash - but they still listened to their customer base and made changes, quite publicly admitting they had pushed the subscription model too far.

Honestly I’m quite happy with it as a compromise, especially with the All Products Pack - I save money every year than when I used to buy upgrades for IntelliJ and ReSharper stand-alone, and JetBrains has incentive to keep pumping out new features to keep me from deciding to utilize my fallback license.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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They seem to have nice products but when people compare JetBrains tooling to Vim, Emacs and VSCode everyone seems to leave out the fact that those tools are 100% free. I think it’s important for coding to be open to as many people as possible and the tools are the point of entry.

These tools are not 100% free (as in beer) when you factor in your time. I spent years ($$) customizing my Vim setup and saved tons of time ($$) when I finally switched to IntelliJ with IdeaVim.

They are free as in free beer. Your “time and money are direct equivalents” argument is nonsense even to the wealthiest people and sheer lunacy to the people who most need free coding tools.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Can anyone comment on the state of Vim emulation in Vscode? I'm in Android Studio largely because of its support for my .vimrc, without which I can not live. But I see[1] that there have been recent commits related to this in Vscode. How good is it? Other thoughtful comparisons between life in JetBrains world vs Vscode welcome as well. [1] https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim/commit/3158194561fa2fba921b...

> my .vimrc, without which I can not live How did you become unable to do basic text editing without a specific editor setup? Why do people become so dependent on tools?

I've been using vim for roughly half my life at this point. What I've found is that actually using the editor is so thoroughly muscle memory at this point that using another editor, where I actually have to consciously think about how to do something, is incredibly distracting.

It's not like the difference in input speed is really meaningful; as you'll see someone point out in any discussion about this stuff, the bottleneck in programming is thinking.

But what I find will often happen is:

1. I settle on a course of action. 2. I go to actually do it. 3. The editor doesn't do what I expect, because it's not vim. 4. I am momentarily confused, and have to think for a minute about how to do what I want. 5. I lose my train of thought entirely. 6. Rinse, repeat.

So for me it's not so much about any specific thing the editor does to make me productive. I do have opinions about some things, but what's important is that it just fades into the background and lets me think about the problem I'm trying to solve.

Beyond just being "different," I tend to eschew IDEs for much the same reason -- while many of the advanced features seem useful, I find them too distracting to be worth the trouble. Just me and the code, please.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Given that Kotlin now also is first class development language for Android, I think Jetbrains gets plenty of revenue from Android

I don't think Jetbrains gets any money directly by the usage of Kotlin on Android, as Kotlin too is open source, and works very well in IntelliJ Community (also open-source). In fact, I don't think IntelliJ ultimate has any extra Kotlin features.

No, but IntelliJ ultimate has more features than Android Studio given there are JetBrains developed plugins that aren’t available in the CE platform.

Guice support, for example. You can live without it, but if you are working on a larger Android codebase and utilize it then it may be useful.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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> They used to sell standalone perpetual licenses which included a period of updates. I'm missing something. What's the difference between that and what they're doing now? You pay $X, you get a perpetual licence and updates for a limited period.

In addition to what michaf mentioned, what we have now is not what they originally proposed. https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/18/final-update-on-t... - the perpetual license fallback did not exist under the original proposals and only happened due to backlash.

Why does this matter? Yes, their original plan was pure SaaS. But they listened to criticism and changed it once they realized that there was backlash from the community. If anything, that should be admired not criticized.

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At least some of Jetbrains' offerings are open source. If you have security concerns, you may be able to alleviate some of them by your own examination. I'd also encourage you to consider separating your concerns about the Russian government and individuals living in Russia, just as you might other governments and their citizenry.

> At least some of Jetbrains' offerings are open source. If you have security concerns, you may be able to alleviate some of them by your own examination. Good points > I'd also encourage you to consider separating your concerns about the Russian government and individuals living in Russia, just as you might other governments and their citizenry. I do separate them, in a moral sense. But in a practical sense, Russian…

In a practical sense, how could JetBrains' software compromise security? People don't generally deploy build artifacts built from IDEs. And I suppose you could turn on a network monitoring tool to see if JetBrains software is broadcasting anything.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm always amazed by how a complex software as IDEA seems so crisp, I'm always thinking the internal structure must be very well pieced together, there are a lot of small things and small features that you'd think would not have polish but then it's all working flawlessly. Really want to study their code one day(although it's been years I'm saying that) :t

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Speed in large projects. IntelliJ is super slow once you have huge source/text files. E.g. WebStorm is unusable for debugging as one step over takes ~10s on a 128GB RAM machine in such cases.

I am mentioning this in the off chance you did not tried it, exclude the node_modules/vendors/build folders or other third party code that is not part of your project you are editing.

It happens also in own projects that are just huge, without any 3rd party libs.
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