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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I love jet brains but I'll say this. Their software is part of the reason I paid for 32 GB of ram on my new macbook pro.

How great is the 32 GB of ram? I have a 2017 macbook pro. I don't ever develop on a desktop machine to be able to know what I'm missing out on by only having 16 GB.

I have chrome, webstorm, datagrip, fusion 360, an android emulator and an ios emulator open at the same time and there is 0 lag ever.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#172

I love IntelliJ but I am constantly switching between PyCharm and WebStorm, which is quite annoying since I end up doing python and javascript in both. I wish they one modular product instead of many, many slightly different products. Edit: I'm learning in the comments below that IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate gives you the capabilities of the other products all together. This sounds great! I'm going to try it.

>Edit: I'm learning in the comments below that IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate gives you the capabilities of the other products all together. This sounds great! I'm going to try it.

Pycharm professional should have all the features of webstorm in it. The thing with IDEA is that the ecosystem is too huge and it assumes JVM centered development.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#173

I love IntelliJ but I am constantly switching between PyCharm and WebStorm, which is quite annoying since I end up doing python and javascript in both. I wish they one modular product instead of many, many slightly different products. Edit: I'm learning in the comments below that IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate gives you the capabilities of the other products all together. This sounds great! I'm going to try it.

PyCharm includes all of the features of WebStorm because it's so common for Python developers to also do JS work, so you probably should just be using PyCharm. That's what I do at my work. (It's also why PyCharm is more expensive than WebStorm.) If you find that WebStorm works better, you probably need to install the node.js plugin in PyCharm (which is free). It's included by default in WebStorm but not in PyCharm.

When I tried using PyCharm for javascript development I noticed huge slow downs on my old 2015 macbook pro.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me its because they do a really good job of keeping the UI snappy and responsive. This is pretty impressive considering: 1) Its a java app 2) Continuously running compilers/interpreters in the background 3) Running builds and tests can be bursty and its pretty good about not hanging when that happens.

snappy and responsive is not what comes to my mind when thinking about JetBrains products. I do think they have really good products, just a little ... slow.

FWIW I find IDEA more responsive (fewer random lags while typing) than my pretty minimal emacs setup. Text editors like vim, kakoune, or xi are snappy, are not IDEs.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#175

If they improve this one thing then they are solid. They need to move to natively compiled apps. The JVM can get really slow. I still use their products despite the slowness but many people don't make the switch because of how heavy the IDE is.

Still waiting on that “IDEA in Rust blog post”...

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#176
post #96

It’s hard for me to praise Jetbrains, every time I start using Idea I have amazing experience, I feel like it’s totally one of the best IDEs out there and then couple days and non-trivial plugins later I have noticeable lags when typing text . I immediately give up and switch back to my previous setup. Why can’t IDEs prioritize reducing typing latency? That’s like one of the most important parts of text editing. Anyb…

I have a feeling JetBrains's products work well for most but not all types of projects.

Anecdotally, I suffer from performance issues on a very high performance desktop when doing data science. Indexing happens frequently and takes at least 30 minutes. Notebooks and scientific mode bug out frequently, even after a fresh install and in brand new environments. Judging by YouTrack, these issues are not isolated to just my machine and workflow.

I hope they figure them out soon because JetBrains's software is otherwise exceptional.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#177

I really like IntelliJ and recommend everyone try them even if my favorites are NetBeans, Eclipse and VS Code. This seems to be just some weird preference that my brain has and since Jetbrains is such a nice company and has a sustainable funding model I'm happy to send people their way

For me its because they do a really good job of keeping the UI snappy and responsive. This is pretty impressive considering: 1) Its a java app 2) Continuously running compilers/interpreters in the background 3) Running builds and tests can be bursty and its pretty good about not hanging when that happens.

I'd been a Visual Studio user for I think over a decade, and was really, really sick of listening to my laptop fans whining the whole time, and frequent freeze-ups. Every new version promised better performance, and never delivered - VS's poor (and unreliable) performance is the main thing that made me try Rider, and what performance revelation it was!

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#179
I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth.

Their FAQ page explains it a lot better than I can: https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What...

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

#180

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

>But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth

This came about due to a decent amount of consumer backlash, if I recall correctly. They used to sell standalone perpetual licenses which included a period of updates.

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